We must deploy all the troops we can to Afghanistan

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  1. David Davis MP: We must deploy all the troops we can to Afghanistan now and stop trying to fight the war on the cheap - but if no progress is made in 18 months, the public will demand our withdrawal

    David Davis is Conservative MP for Haltemprice and Howden and a former Shadow Home Secretary.

    A tragic military error with a hideous civilian death-toll, a disastrously corrupt election, and the resignation of a Parliamentary Private Secretary at the MoD,the auguries for Gordon Brown’s speech on Friday could barely have been worse. They demanded an inspired response.

    Instead we got a sermon on everybody else’s responsibilities and a repeat of the standard lines of “why we are there". Nowhere did we have any insights as to how we are going to change a losing strategy into a winning one. To do that, we need to understand how and why it is all going wrong. Surprisingly, for a very intelligent man, the Prime Minister appears to have no grip on this at all.
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  2. The idea has merit I suppose.

    18 months of high intensity Ops and then do one, if nothing has changed.

    Proper smash the Taliban right up, and drive 'em back to Pakistan.

    Obviously he is missing the vital part of the 18month window..... after 18 months of such operations, with every available man. We'd HAVE to withdraw to square ourselves away and reconstitute.

    Or hand across to teh Treasury a pretty steep bill, and tell gordo the great (self proclaimed) to start conscription.
     
  3. Oh no, if no progress is made in that time, the public will demand our withdrawal. I thought the public was hinting pretty strongly at that now.
     
  4. What the public doesn't want is what was percieved to have happend in Iraq. Hundreds dead, billions spent and very little achieved.
    Want public support? Put enough military strength into Afghanistan to stop the UK looking like the poor cousin hanging on the the coat tails of the USA.
    To garner public support for Afghanistan then throw huge resources at the shithole and give the public a reason to be proud of Britains achievements there. That is not to understate the huge effort on the part of everybody in the armed forces but the realistic thing is that as far as the public is concerned nothing has been achieved by the loss of life and huge financial cost. Why should the public expect the final result in Afghanistan to be any different to that of Iraq?
    In the days of empire Britain threw decisie resources at pretty much everything we decided to do, now we make a half arsed effort that is doomed to failure and then the public watches on telly how the USMC is required to prop up our tiny expeditionary force with no equipment and too few boots on the ground.

    When the public can take pride in Britains might and Britains achievements then they will unreservedly support the campaign in Afghanistan. As it stand now they can only look with shame and embarrasement at the half arsed, under equiped and frankly weak looking effort that is presented.
     
  5. diplomat

    diplomat War Hero Book Reviewer

    So when are both the available chaps going then?
     
  6. What are they going to drive around in? LDV Maxus vans?
     
  7. True.

    Even Eddie the Eagle and Eric the Eel lost their appeal after a while. You can only watch well intentioned amatuers make tawts of themselves for so long.

    And that is exactly what we are fast becoming on a world stage.
     
  8. Sadly that is how we are presenting to the world. Tragic isn't it?
     
  9. It would help if army chiefs fessed up to the half arrsed support and equipment it is receiving for the campaign.

    Still too many officers worming their way up the career structure for that to happen. I cannot remember a govt as weak as this, it would be like pushing on a half open door.
     
  10. TBH, I'm surprised the Cyclopian One has'nt tried to re-introduce Conscritption already; it's one of the few ways left he can do even greater damage to this country than he already has.

    Probably thinks that not even his tame ZANU MP's would be dumb enough to vote for it. :roll:
     
  11. and whilst everyone is over there the ruskies will sneak in at the back door..............sorry i think i might have been misled in basic...too many russian towns.

    makes sense though, a larger deployment, and push and hold on a scale that puts even panthers claw to shame :)

    now where is that cash going to come from.....?
    bankers pensions? mp expenses? :?

    *edited for spelingz
     
  12. like the Ruskies tried?

    Even with Afg on their doorstep and a military force how many times larger than ours, people think its the best polcy to send more troops in?

    Perhaps if we didnt interfer in the first place ie let the russians have it - things may be totally different
     
  13. we were there before the ruskies :)
     
  14. and lost then too
     
  15. we won the second and third ones. we only lost the 1st and that was when we invaded with 5000 troops for the whole country.

    funnily enough they went there initially (like the us in vietnam) on request of the current government of the region. it only became a piece in the "cold war game" when we started funding the islamists.

    it really doesnt have the history to have the image/myth that it does.