We get the re -re re tred mod 5.56 SA80 but MOD PLODS get?

#1
[quote]The Ministry of Defence ...armed security capability is required[/quote]


About right for the MoD always getting their procurement correct for those who really really need it.

Anyone recon the MP7 might be a little bit better than a cut down SA80- hans up

Got to wonder really
 
#2
Give the MoD Plods the stuff that works and they'll never have to use it anger and leave the Infantry with........... :roll:

Please tell me again whose side the MoD is on :?
 
#7
This is the thing that was in competition for the tank crew PDW. The competition that the SA80 carbine, monstrosity thing won 8O

Good thing about MOD plod is small numbers, so you don't have to run separate logisitic chains for 5.56 and 4.7mm. Which lets face it, would be a bit of a mare. 9mm and 7.62mm ring any bells.
 
#8
I fired the MP7 at last year's CORPSAAM on the demo Range, nice little shooter,cracking sight system and a great shame the Cav have adopted the Dwarf Gat instead of something that wouldn't incapacitate your foes only by showing it to them and twatting them with a shovel whilst hysterical. I fully understand the arguments of compatibility with service weapons and ammo resupply. However if you replace the L9A1 with MP7, you replace 9mm with 4.7mm. Fair trade if you ask me! And armourers like having shiny new toys to tinker with.
 
#9
OK, I wasn't going to post this, but I will, FYI. NOTE - if I have left anything off, I hang my head in shame...

SA Ammo used by the US in WW2:

.30M2 in 5rd stripper clips (Springfield)
.30M2 in 8rd en-bloc clips (Garand)
.30M2 in canvas belt (M1917, M1919A4)
.30M2 in link (M1919A6)
.45ACP (M1911, Thompson)
.30 Carbine (M1 carbine)
.50BMG

SA Ammo used by Commonwealth forces:

.303 MkVII in 5rd stripper clips (rifles, BREN)
.303 MkVIII in canvas belt (Vickers)
.45ACP (Thompson, some S&W M1917 revolvers [+ moon clips], de Lisle)
.455 Webley (Revolver No.1 & other S&W revolvers)
.455 Webley & Scott (W&S automatic pistol - mostly for the navy)
.380-200 (No.2 revolver + others)
9mm Para (STEN, Lanchester etc)
.55 Boys Anti-Tank
and on a more limited basis, I believe that there was also some use of Spam wpns too.

SA Ammo used by the Boxheads (frontline only):

7.92mm in 5rd stripper clips (Mauser, G43 etc)
7.92mm in belts (MG34, MG42)
7.92mm Kurz (MP43-Stg44, Stg45)
9mm Para (majority of pistols, e.g. P08, P38, SMGs)
9mm Kurz [.380ACP] (some pistols e.g. PP, PPK)
7.65 Browning [.32ACP] (some pistols, e.g. PP, PPK)

Boxheads also used anything & everything for rear-area use, all of which was given reference numbers

SA ammo used by Russkies (Russian-made, frontline only)

7.62x54R in 5rd strippers (Mosin-Nagant, SVT, AVS, DP)
7.62x54R in belts (Maxim)
7.62x25 Tokarev (SMGs, TT pistol)
7.62mm Nagant Revolver

+anything & everything in "last ditch" efforts incl. 8mm Lebel, 10.67 Berdan (black powder!!!)


For comparison, current UK SA ammo:

5.56mm in strippers/boxed (SA-80)
5.56mm belts (minimi)
7.62mm Sniper
7.62mm belts (GPMG)
.50BMG
9mm Para (pistols)

& the spams seem to be using about the same...

The point of all this is to illustrate that the current supply system is not chaotic compared to what we've had in the past, & to replace the cav's Brownings with MP7s would really not seem to be a problem, given that they have their own special supply for things like, oh, I dunno, tank shells??? 8)
 
#11
Bladensburg said:
Is there a pistol to compliment this in the same way that the FN Five-seveN partners the P90?
It's designed to not need a partner, i.e. to be the all-round ideal personal defence wpn. However, it does seem a little big for a pistol. Wouldn't want it in a shoulder holster!!! It is however designed to compete directly with the P90 which has a few "problems", like its wierd magazine & its weight (it's a kilo heavier than the MP7 & doesn't have a telescoping stock).
 
#14
I don't see why we don't sod it and go the whole hog and bin the SA80 and get the HK G36, we own the company anyway!

I'm sure the argument against it would be the expense outlay already put out on the A2 conversion...paid to HK?? and the time taken to re-train and re-equip units, that being said i'm sure this would be nothing compared to re-training and re-equiping of radios, ie BOWMAN.

Oooops might have opened a can of worms there I think!

Nice to see the MOD have got their priorities/shit sorted out as usual!
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#17
Unbelievable.

Rounds fired by MOD Plod in anger ever? ZERO (or similar)

Rounds fired by BritFor in anger in equal role during same period? TWO (Para sentry when PIRA infiltrated thier camp)

Rounds fired by Britfor in anger in all other war/peacekeeping roles during same period? TENS OF THOUSANDS OR MORE

So, from my POV, perhaps the MOD could put up with an old shite rifle and our infantry could get a top of the line weapon.
 
#18

MP-7 with extended stock and foregrip



MP-7 with folded stock and foregrip - note that it only slightly bigger than any full-size military pistol

Caliber: 4.6mm proprietary (4.6x30mm)
Weight: 1.5 kg empty
Lenght (stock closed/open): 340 / 540 mm
Barrel lenght: 180 mm
Rate of fire: 950 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 20 or 40 rounds
Effective range: 200 meters
 
#20
SA Ammo used by the Boxheads (frontline only):

7.92mm in 5rd stripper clips (Mauser, G43 etc)
7.92mm in belts (MG34, MG42)
7.92mm Kurz (MP43-Stg44, Stg45)
9mm Para (majority of pistols, e.g. P08, P38, SMGs)
9mm Kurz [.380ACP] (some pistols e.g. PP, PPK)
7.65 Browning [.32ACP] (some pistols, e.g. PP, PPK)

Boxheads also used anything & everything for rear-area use, all of which was given reference numbers
Well the Germans use of 'beute waffen' wasn't restricted to rear areas. You should see all the weird and wonderful calibre ammo i've dug up along the way..must have been a mare for their QMs.
 

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