We demand tolerance - and if you don't agree

#2
So the defence was based on biblical grounding about sex outwith marriage and was lost as it has no basis in law. Nothing wrong there. The fact that a couple of benders were involved became incidental to the case. No?

I for one salute the upholding of law against religious belief. It could lead to a better society for all.

Still, on a personal basis, burn the pooves!
 
#3
Tolerance of consensual sexual preference and tolerance of religious bigotry. Totally the same, yeah. The only thing which stops me is the issue of private business doing what it likes, but the core of the story - upstanding Christian citizens taking a stand against teh evul homoseckuals is bollocks.
 
#4
Tolerance of consensual sexual preference and tolerance of religious bigotry. Totally the same, yeah. The only thing which stops me is the issue of private business doing what it likes, but the core of the story - upstanding Christian citizens taking a stand against teh evul homoseckuals is bollocks.

Would you want a couple of dirty bummers doing unspeakable things and soiling the sheets in your spare room? Eh? Well would you?

I do think a private business should be able to do business with whom it likes. It isn't providing a public service. On the other hand it makes a change from the usual pandering to religious sensibilities, which I always struggle to see has any foundation when I can't see there is anything to stop me from starting my own and making any sort of claim I liked about things it did not allow me to do or which I found offensive and which others should not therefore be permitted to do.
 
#5
Surely despite their own personal views these hoteliers have to adhere to the law (i.e. no discrimination) if they wish to run a business.

You wouldn't support a BNP shop owner not serving someone on the basis of race.
 
#6
I didn’t interpret it that way, rather two business owners trying to dictate what they are comfortable with in their premises. I am sure the owners aren’t all that bothered. Their salvation is secure.

If they were muslims the gay couple would be told to GTF and the courts would do sod all.
 
#7
You wouldn't support a BNP shop owner not serving someone on the basis of race.
And why would the BNP bloke have a shop?!

It's not quite the same though is it - the shopkeeper does not have the behaviour he finds offensive potentially being practised in his home over a more extended period, he just gets someone being brown in his shop for 5 minutes.

It's not something I feel interested in or able to make a spirited defence of. In this case I believe they deliberately set out to get refused, take them to court and make a point. I appreciate the gay liberation movement may feel the need to fight the good fight but it seems a bit unnecessary and excessive.
 
#8
It's a funny old world.... One can't discriminate against black people or offend people with faith. Why should gay people be any different?
They don't choose to be gay... If you don't want soiled sheets then refuse heterosexual couples too... or open some other kind of business. Religious bigotry is unacceptable.... period.
 
#12
**** off and do your own home work. That’s what I had to do.
And before I get accused of being a homophobe, my better half has a gay parent that I get on very well with and have a lot of respect for.
Well at least let us know what pamphlet you got it from?
 
#13
It's a funny old world.... One can't discriminate against black people or offend people with faith. Why should gay people be any different?
They don't choose to be gay... If you don't want soiled sheets then refuse heterosexual couples too... or open some other kind of business. Religious bigotry is unacceptable.... period.
No, they probably don't choose to be gay in orientation - but they do have a choose over whether to be gay in behaviour, or do gay stuff. I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't be entitled to do so, but it's the gay stuff - i.e. checking in for some man love - that your God squad will have objected to. It seems unlikely that they would have been refused as single travellers.

If you are going to draw religious and ethnic analogies, then the more appropriate analogies are not what the people are but what they are going to do in the B&B. So perhaps all Catholic guests should be allowed to burn as much incense as they like in the room, bring their own altar boy etc, and perhaps Asian guests can rustle up a quick curry. Absurd but that's the way it inevitably leads, when you have people determined to prove a point and assert their "rights" on one hand and some pretty inflexible people on the other.
 
#14
And before I get accused of being a homophobe, my better half has a gay parent that I get on very well with and have a lot of respect for.
How'd that happen then? Case of mistaken gender during an encounter?

I am also not a racist, I have an Asian neighbour and he is a top bloke. He does choose to be like that though, he picks up quite a colour when he goes back to Pakistan in the summer.
 
#15
No, they probably don't choose to be gay in orientation - but they do have a choose over whether to be gay in behaviour, or do gay stuff. I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't be entitled to do so, but it's the gay stuff - i.e. checking in for some man love - that your God squad will have objected to. It seems unlikely that they would have been refused as single travellers.

If you are going to draw religious and ethnic analogies, then the more appropriate analogies are not what the people are but what they are going to do in the B&B. So perhaps all Catholic guests should be allowed to burn as much incense as they like in the room, bring their own altar boy etc, and perhaps Asian guests can rustle up a quick curry. Absurd but that's the way it inevitably leads, when you have people determined to prove a point and assert their "rights" on one hand and some pretty inflexible people on the other.
who says they were going to have sex anyway?

do they ask straight couples if they're going to have **** sex before giving them a room?

lastly, you don't need a double bed to shag.
 
#16
You wouldn't support a BNP shop owner not serving someone on the basis of race.
Support, no, but as long as he decides its his policy and he clearly states it with a sign on the door saying 'NO BLACK PEOPLE', let him carry on.

He won't just lose business from black people, but also a lot of white people too. I'd rather not give my money to stupid racists either.

As for the guest house, anyone with those kind of puritan morals or beliefs shouldn't be any sort of hotelier. How many hotel bookings are for illicit purposes? I had a boss who used to book by the hour to shag co-workers or hosties, or his current bit on the side. Most of the UK porn films I've ever seen were shot in what looks suspiciously like chain hotel rooms!
 
#17
The only thing which stops me is the issue of private business doing what it likes

There ya go.

What is to stop other people playing this game with other businesses?
What's to stop a couple of chav chancers turning up at a B&B/hotel/whatever and when told no, you can't come in claiming they were discriminated against because they were poofs/pastafarians/gingers?

Enforcing 'tolerance' at the point of the law seems to have opened up a nice little potential earner.
 
#18
Higgsy - what about bigotry against the religious?? Or is that all Sir Garnet in your book?
 
#19
who says they were going to have sex anyway?

do they ask straight couples if they're going to have **** sex before giving them a room?

lastly, you don't need a double bed to shag.
Well quite, what I'm trying to point out is the flawed position from which some people are arguing. Drawing a parallel with ethnic minorities is unsound.

Here we get a classic clash of two special interest groups who are convinced their particular beliefs deserve respect and protection. Current orthodoxy in this country is that it is not permissible to discriminate against homosexuals, but there is no "absolute" truth in this. At other times we have people making what is in many ways a similar point about the respect due to their religious or cultural beliefs, in some cases no matter how absurd those beliefs are. Either way there is an implication for personal liberty and freedom of expression.
 
#20
They don't choose to be gay... QUOTE]

There is more evidence to say that they do actually.
**** off and do your own home work. That’s what I had to do.
And before I get accused of being a homophobe, my better half has a gay parent that I get on very well with and have a lot of respect for.
Well at least let us know what pamphlet you got it from?

Just reposting these to point out that the quote headers have seem to have gone a bit awry. I'd hate for a bigot to be confused with a more liberal attitude. I know how much they just hate to come across that way.

(Oooow? did anybody see the entendres?)
 

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