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We are sleepwalking into Nineteen Eighty-Four

I almost hesitate to post this here, given its headline subject matter and the hoots of ribald comments it will attract, but when someone like Yuval Noah Harari starts warning you about how technology can be abused, we should really start paying attention.

Harari is warning about potential threats to Gays, well, like most people here, I have got a lot of other worries on my mind, and some of his allusions to Jews/Gays are a wee bit (but in fairness not that much) tendentious, but it's when you read down to the way modern technology, the stuff we are using right now, and use every day, and which we give to our kids, can be abused, it gives you the heeby-skajeebies for what the future holds.

Just replace "gay" in the following text for anything you might consider a bit unacceptable to the powers that be, "nationalist", "conservative", "patriot", "Englishman", whatever, and realise just how vulnerable we have left ourselves to the Thought Police by our unthinking use of smartphones and social media. We really have no idea how much power we are handing, probably have already handed, to faceless bureaucrats, policemen and multi-billion dollar corporations.

"Another option is to use an algorithm to go through someone’s entire online history – the YouTube clips they watched, the headlines they clicked, the photos they uploaded to Facebook.

In August 2018, it was revealed that evangelical Christian groups offering “conversion therapies” to youths used Facebook’s algorithms to target vulnerable teenagers with their adverts ... The teens did not necessarily identify as LGBT. It was enough for them to show an interest in LGBT-related items – for example “liking” an LGBT-related story – to become a target. Israeli security forces have also been known to use various methods – including online surveillance – to identify gay Palestinians, but not in order to “convert” them. Rather, gay Palestinians are blackmailed to become Israeli informers. Since homophobia is widespread in Palestinian society and, at least in Gaza, homosexuality is still criminalised, blackmailing closeted gay people is one of the easier ways to acquire informants
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Well OK, I am straight, I don't go on Facebook, I don't like anything beyond Wolverhampton Wanderers videos from the 1960s on YouTube, so I have nothing to worry about.

"Even if you have never had a Grindr account, never watched gay porn online and never clicked on LGBT-related news items, in the not too distant future merely allowing your eyes to roam freely could cost you your liberty. Shoshana Zuboff’s The Age of Surveillance Capitalism describes how corporations are developing ever more sophisticated tools to know what their customers like. For example, if you watch a television series, the producers want to know which characters or scenes most engage your attention, in order to make future episodes even more addictive. To ask viewers for their opinions is a cumbersome and untrustworthy method. It is much better to directly track involuntary biometric signals such as eye movement and blood pressure. Tracking such signals might tell the network, for example, that 63% of viewers connect to a minor character, so it would be a good idea to expand their role.

Exactly the same technology could also tell the future gender police that you are a secret “gender traitor”. If the biometric sensors incorporated into the TV discover that a man watching the kiss scene in Game of Thrones between Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen focuses his gaze on the macho hero more than on the Mother of Dragons – the gender police might knock on his door at 2am next morning to look further into the matter
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Still not seeing the problem, I only watch Antiques Roadshow.

"If you think of protecting yourself by not watching any television, not surfing the internet and flushing your smartphone down the toilet, what will you do when cameras are placed on every street corner and sensors constantly scrutinise how people behave in coffeeshops or in school? In 2013 Iranian authorities ordered cafe owners to install cameras and turn over the footage on demand. In March 2019, the Guangdong Guangya high school in China reportedly purchased 3,500 biometric bracelets to monitor students’ physical activities, heart rates and the number of times they raised their hands in class. By cross-referencing data-points, future schools might be able to tell not only who fell asleep during maths class, but also who fell in love with the maths teacher."

It goes on to explain how in Xinjiang province the Chinese are "constantly monitoring millions of local Muslims. People are forced to give samples of their DNA, blood, fingerprints, voice recordings and face scans. These markers then allow the government to track personal activities with the help of a countrywide network of CCTV cameras, handheld devices, facial recognition software and machine-learning algorithms. Sensors are placed everywhere – from markets to mosques. When the algorithms recognise a suspected pattern of behaviour – perhaps using religious speech, wearing traditional Islamic clothes, or visiting a mosque too frequently – the “offender” might be warned by the police or sent to a “re-education” camp."

Not surprisingly other governments are queuing up to learn about this technology. It's OK for us, we'll be long dead, but I wonder what sort of future our children and grandchildren will have. Not as free as ours I think.

50 years after Stonewall: Yuval Noah Harari on the new threats to LGBT rights
 
Stress ( in various guises ) is the world's biggest killer,

Stop stressing about sh!t that you can do nothing about.
 
Stress ( in various guises ) is the world's biggest killer,

Stop stressing about sh!t that you can do nothing about.
Maybe, like I say, it won't effect me so perhaps I shouldn't give a shit about it, I can like all the Mark Steyn and Jordan Peterson videos I like and the Thought Police can't do anything to me.

But if my son is refused a job because of a video he watched on YouTube or my daughter is refused a place at university because of a picture she used in a dating profile app, it will be a bit late for us to complain.

How did we become so complacent about giving away all this power and information to very powerful and in many ways sinister organisations?
 
Meh, if I get sacked for some of the porn I watch, I will just go and make some myself.

Who is this chick who didn’t get a university place? I need somewhere to store my root vegetables for my new website and she sounds like she needs a job.

Every cloud an all that!
 
You are talking thoughtcrime, any algorithm I use is doubleplusgood.
You would benefit from a visit to a joycamp.
 

Joe_Private

On ROPS
On ROPs
Exactly the same technology could also tell the future gender police that you are a secret “gender traitor”.
I'm more concerned that people will just accept the proposition that there will be, in the future, Gender Police, whilst getting animated about the yet to be developed technology that they will use.
 
You are talking thoughtcrime, any algorithm I use is doubleplusgood.
You would benefit from a visit to a joycamp.

Plenty of joycamps in Britain run by the Ministry of Love (Miniluv) for most on here and any other gammon renegades once the cuddly Jeremy is installed in number 10 for life.

The designate Minister Of Love?, step forward Comrade Dianne Abbott.
 
Well, my smartphone keeps asking me to comment on places I visit ( or walk past), so the Ministry of Love under Corbyn have the means to monitor most people, anyway.
 

Whining Civvy

War Hero
Personally, I'd say the piece of technology which has caused most death, injury and social and political strife over the years is the wheel.
 
How did we become so complacent about giving away all this power and information to very powerful and in many ways sinister organisations?
Because these 'sinister' organisations came in the form of happy clappy, liberal, lefty, right on, do-gooders. Rather than the fascists which they are.
See the EU as an example.
 

Dark_Nit

LE
Book Reviewer
In actual fact we're already well on the way.

Do you have a "loyalty card"? Nectar, Costa, Waitrose, Boots, Co-Op etc? Then your shopping data is being monitored and analysed. Harmless to a degree because you might get some reward for using the card, but everything you buy will be analysed by an algorithm for the shop to give you "targeted advertising".

Do you ever use a credit / debit card? Again, as above, and if you use the card at a shop without a loyalty card this will again result in your data being analysed by the shop.

If you shop online, your computer will get "cookies" placed on it. This will be used by google et al to provide you with targeted advertising which google will tell you will "enhance your experience". Only that's a euphemism for getting you to part with more money.

This is the thin end of the wedge and there are far more sinister uses of "AI" either in terms of advertising or else tracking activities. Your car is tracked by ANPR. Cameras are appearing all over the place. When the new Runcorn - Widnes bridge was built ANPR cameras appeared on the junction with the M56. Same with car parking ANPR systems, only these are monitored by some scumbag parking company who can obtain your personal details from DVLA in seconds.

Advertising on phones has been mentioned above. If my smartphone ever does this, it's going in the bin. Nonetheless, you are again being tracked by your phone, smart or otherwise as your location is tracked by the signal strength to the various masts, ditto if you leave your wifi or bluetooth on, you will be picked up by local networks and tracked by Mr google. Ditto logging into free wifi at Costa [other coffee shops are available] will leave an electronic footprint.

Facial scanning is already with us, and both Siri and Alexa are reading your mind by analysing your choices. You have a camera on your laptop? Prepare to be watched by Windows 10. you will find about 50 different ways that Win10 is monitoring you in the settings, to a level of sending induividual keystrokes back to Microsoft.

This is interesting if somewhat poorly written:
5 Creepy Things A.I. Has Started Doing On Its Own | Cracked.com
 
Another aspect of new cars seems to be they are uploading your position constantly in real time. The future Ministry of Internal Security will just love this.
 

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
In actual fact we're already well on the way.

Do you have a "loyalty card"? Nectar, Costa, Waitrose, Boots, Co-Op etc? Then your shopping data is being monitored and analysed. Harmless to a degree because you might get some reward for using the card, but everything you buy will be analysed by an algorithm for the shop to give you "targeted advertising".

Do you ever use a credit / debit card? Again, as above, and if you use the card at a shop without a loyalty card this will again result in your data being analysed by the shop.

If you shop online, your computer will get "cookies" placed on it. This will be used by google et al to provide you with targeted advertising which google will tell you will "enhance your experience". Only that's a euphemism for getting you to part with more money.

This is the thin end of the wedge and there are far more sinister uses of "AI" either in terms of advertising or else tracking activities. Your car is tracked by ANPR. Cameras are appearing all over the place. When the new Runcorn - Widnes bridge was built ANPR cameras appeared on the junction with the M56. Same with car parking ANPR systems, only these are monitored by some scumbag parking company who can obtain your personal details from DVLA in seconds.

Advertising on phones has been mentioned above. If my smartphone ever does this, it's going in the bin. Nonetheless, you are again being tracked by your phone, smart or otherwise as your location is tracked by the signal strength to the various masts, ditto if you leave your wifi or bluetooth on, you will be picked up by local networks and tracked by Mr google. Ditto logging into free wifi at Costa [other coffee shops are available] will leave an electronic footprint.

Facial scanning is already with us, and both Siri and Alexa are reading your mind by analysing your choices. You have a camera on your laptop? Prepare to be watched by Windows 10. you will find about 50 different ways that Win10 is monitoring you in the settings, to a level of sending induividual keystrokes back to Microsoft.

This is interesting if somewhat poorly written:
5 Creepy Things A.I. Has Started Doing On Its Own | Cracked.com
Good morning:frustrated::bounce::omfg::crying:
 

Dark_Nit

LE
Book Reviewer
It's nearly afternoon. I was up at sparrow fart to take daughter to rowing.

And do any of you with "fitness trackers" know that you don't own the data that you upload to the app? Read the T&Cs.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Because these 'sinister' organisations came in the form of happy clappy, liberal, lefty, right on, do-gooders. Rather than the fascists which they are.
See the EU as an example.

I wrote something similar on the thread about manners.

We’ve touched on this many times. Much is being reversed. So-called liberals are anything but. They profess to be libertarian in outlook but in reality are anything but. If anything, they are far more controlling than the ‘old’ systems that they challenge for being too rigid and prejudiced.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
I dont use loyalty cards, try to use cash and dont have a smart phone. My satnav doesn't do live updates. I must be invisible.
 

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