We are all infantrymen

Discussion in 'Infantry' started by Percy, Nov 29, 2004.

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  1. Adam Ingram 15 Nov 04 in the House of Commons replying to a written question:

    'It is not unusual for the Royal Artillery and Royal Armoured Corps to deploy units in the infantry role. In addition, other parts of the Army, such as the Royal Corps of Signals and Royal Logistics Corps, undertake general infantry tasks as part of routine operations. This is made possible by the fact that every soldier in the Army is trained as an infantryman first, and as a specialist second.'
     
  2. True to a degree. But I think the man's just talking about force protection?

    I see myself as reasonably non-partisan and can see that most infantrymen can't drive a DROPS or repair a 353, so hat's off to the corps...but...

    would you like to be in - say - a Shaibah battle-group formed from the RLC, REME and QARANC nurses on base?

    Remembering a 'flap' and a certain log unit waiting, in its entirety, outside an iso containing all of the units weapons while some fat bloke's trying to remember where the key is, and another confusing 'Tampa' with 'Heart' and driving half-way to Nasiryah by mistake.......

    Funny - momentarily - though it might be, I'd rather stick pins in my eyes, thanks.
     
  3. Is he implying that as everyone is trained to fire a rifle that we no longer need infantry units??

    WRONG!!!
     
  4. Gotcha.

    So if we disband 4 Bns, it will still be fine because we can still get a coy of dentists, a coy of VMs, some drops-drivers, a vet, some pay-clerks, the fat bloke who works in the EFI and a grey-hatted medico Lt Col to command it all. Perhaps a few snipers to add the mysterious phrase 'force multiplier' to it all to make it sound alright.

    Thanks for clearing that up. :lol:
     
  5. And of course we all know how to work a .50 and a LAW? Light mortars? I know many non Inf who wouldnt know one end of a GPMG from another.

    Its ok though as we all do Inf stuff once a year with 10 rounds of blank and no Thunderflashes then G&Z 20 rounds at 100M :roll:
     
  6. Whitehorse, it's fine. According to people I meet on a depressingly common basis, it's not about training, it's about dress. So as long as you fork out for a desert SAS smock, an unusual chest-rig, have a length of rope, several caribiners, and put black tape over anything shiny, occasionally shiny or seemingly useful, then it's OK.
     
  7. Is green tape OK :wink:
     
  8. My man, green's even better.

    You can cover your temperate corps-issue CBA cover in it, and pretend it's desert underneath, and write O POS all over it until your pen runs out. Assuming you can get the lid off once you've taped it. :wink:
     
  9. It might be worthwhile finding out what the question was rather than putting a completely unreal spin on this - we can probably rely on someone else for spin. It might well have been, 'My constituent has a son in the RHA and wants to know why is he going off on operations without his nice big gun...?'

    As for Whitehorse's reaction; true, but he doesn't say warfighting in the infantry role, 'infantry tasks' cover dismounted roulement tours in NI, don't they?

    Anyway, 51s are on their way out unless you're in the RM, so substitute UGL for that, and I seem to remember quite a few gimpies mounted on the top of AS90s.

    :idea: What's this tasty wriggly worm on the hooky thing? Am I biting? I feel like I'm biting...
     
  10. The full text is:

    Army Deployment
    Ann Winterton: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether other sections of the Army are expected to be deployed to undertake roles usually undertaken by the infantry. [191867]

    Mr. Ingram: It is not unusual for the Royal Artillery and Royal Armoured Corps to deploy units in the infantry role. In addition, other parts of the Army, such as the Royal Corps of Signals and Royal Logistics Corps, undertake general infantry tasks as part of routine operations. This is made possible by the fact that every soldier in the Army is trained as an infantryman first, and as a specialist second.

    15 Nov 2004 : Column 1044W



    On larger operations, such as that in Iraq, a complete brigade is usually deployed as an entity, including infantry, armoured and artillery units. This reflects the fact that the whole brigade will have trained together for a range of operations, and will be capable of switching rapidly between different roles as part of routine business in Iraq. For example, in Iraq, armoured regiments regularly switch between operating with their tanks, and operating in the infantry role. These flexible arrangements are expected to continue for the foreseeable future.
     
  11. Don't knock the "fat bloke in the EFI" - ISTR it was the NAAFI manager on HMS Coventry who got one confirmed kill and one probable kill on Argentinian Skyhawks, while he was manning a GPMG pintle-mounted to a rail on the side of the ship.

    Mind you, he had apparently been a SAA Instr in his previous existence, so in true "British Army debrief" form we should start by failing him on AAAD and bollocking him for letting his ship get sunk. Before summing up by admitting that hitting a pair of fast jets with 7.62 wasn't too bad after all.
     
  12. Dug it up in Hansard:
    Ann Winterton: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether other sections of the Army are expected to be deployed to undertake roles usually undertaken by the infantry. [191867]

    Mr. Ingram: It is not unusual for the Royal Artillery and (etc)

    I grant you, it would be funnier if the question was 'why have the Iranian Islamic guards picked up a mobile laundry van east of Maysan province and why have the crew claimed they were on patrol?'.

    Sorry to disappoint..

    'Fat bloke in the EFI' is a generic term, and in no way denigrates the magnificent work such people do in serving me my 'three for a dollar' cans of Fanta and advising me to buy something that adds up to $5 because they've run out of bucks. I was simply referring to their inclusion in the all arms battle-group I referred to earlier. Hope that doesn't offend.
     
  13. Thanks Percy, that makes sense. Its almost the whole truth![/quote]
     
  14. X-Inf

    X-Inf War Hero Book Reviewer

    Maybe the reply that TCH's lapdog should have given is that we are all soldiers first and trade second.
     
  15. Someone ought to tell him that the Navy regularly contributed matelots to the Royal Navy Division during the Great War. Bodies all over France & Flanders.

    That should give the tars something to talk about while pressing their bell bottoms. :lol: