We all want ID cards, apparently.

#1
Or so Jacqui Smith would have us believe:

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Jacqui Smith says public demand means people will be able to pre-register for an ID card within the next few months.

The cards will be available for all from 2012 but she said: "I regularly have people coming up to me and saying they don't want to wait that long."
Of all the things to say to Jacqui Smith, this isn't the first thing that comes to my mind. More to the point, where is all of this public demand for ID cards meant to come from? I don't get it...

Edit: whoops, didn't spot the other thread :oops: Mods, please merge/delete as you see fit.
 
#2
I can't wait to get a proper government endorsed ID card, i feel that in the current climate there are a few government made billionaires who are starting to really feel the pinch, this could well save them from having to cancel their sunseeker yacht orders!
 
#3
How much she'll like id cards after her identity has been cloned will be interesting.

The ever reliable Guy Fawkes has the details how a glass with her fingerprints (and presumably her DNA) was "borrowed" from the briefing

Biometrics is so unreliable, especially for large-scale applications, the scheme is totally flawed (even ignoring the civil liberties aspects)

Still, if she's got nothing to hide......

typo corrected
 
#4
ExplodingTrousers said:
Or so Jacqui Smith would have us believe:

Linky

Jacqui Smith says public demand means people will be able to pre-register for an ID card within the next few months.

The cards will be available for all from 2012 but she said: "I regularly have people coming up to me and saying they don't want to wait that long."
Of all the things to say to Jacqui Smith, this isn't the first thing that comes to my mind. More to the point, where is all of this public demand for ID cards meant to come from? I don't get it...

What Planet Is she on? :roll:
 
#5
ExplodingTrousers said:
Or so Jacqui Smith would have us believe:

Linky

Jacqui Smith says public demand means people will be able to pre-register for an ID card within the next few months.

The cards will be available for all from 2012 but she said: "I regularly have people coming up to me and saying they don't want to wait that long."
Of course they do. And the other ones want to tell her how well they think cyclops is doing and congratulate him on the economy... :roll:
 
#6
These figment of her imagination that keep coming up to her... are they drug-induced or just a symptom of the obvious insanity?

Or perhaps she's using the political definition of a majority - 'everyone except the ones who disagree with me'.
 
#7
To be honest I've found the British revulsion towards ID cards to be a bit odd for some time. Most European countries have had them for ages and I've spent about 16 years in places where they are a requirement without any trouble. Quite the contrary, instead of having to produce several examples of proof of identity to get anything - especially cash-related - done, as in the UK, you just slap one card down and that's it. However, I absolutely disagree with any kind of electronic card where the holder may have no idea of the data contained on it. A simple card which explains who you are and where you live is enough to solve any immediate identity questions, and that is no bad thing.
 
#8
The overall cost of the ID card scheme over the next 10 years has risen by £50m to £5.1bn in the past six months, according to the government's latest cost report.

Now is it me or would the £5.1bn, be better spent on lests say defence. Or am I cynical basteward?

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#9
scrofula said:
To be honest I've found the British revulsion towards ID cards to be a bit odd for some time. Most European countries have had them for ages and I've spent about 16 years in places where they are a requirement without any trouble. Quite the contrary, instead of having to produce several examples of proof of identity to get anything - especially cash-related - done, as in the UK, you just slap one card down and that's it. However, I absolutely disagree with any kind of electronic card where the holder may have no idea of the data contained on it. A simple card which explains who you are and where you live is enough to solve any immediate identity questions, and that is no bad thing.
ooh - a single card like a photo driving license, or NI card or a liyyle book called a passport - we already have these. Its the last part of your paragraph is the issue - the data, who has it, who has access, how secure is it etc that it the problem.
 
#10
I've got one - why would I need another? Am I missing something here?
 
#11
The woman's from planet Zog.... or at least has the same grip on reality.
 
#12
I like many other people used to have the attitude of "If you've nothing to hide, there's no reason to oppose ID cards", however, now I'm older, wiser, and unfortunately more cynical, I have to take the view that I believe the Government would, and has lied to me about many things in the past and are not to be trusted not to do so again, also, that their security of data is abysmal, and they cannot be trusted to look after it, so, no thanks Ms. Smith, fcuk off.
 
#13
Have I missed the point?...

Show me who you are!........ This is my passport, its good enough to get me into a foreign country, is it good enough to let me walk down the street in my own?

Show me your ID card or Illthink you are a terrorist................ I am, I have an ID card but I can still blow up, >BANG<

Im very sorry sir Ive jsut paid your life savings into the account of a Mr Ngueela Dtsalaam from Nigeria, a gentleman came in earlier and said he was you.

What does an Identity card provide in terms of Proof, security or guarantee that carrying a passport, having a decent police force, or ensuring banks did their jobs, that cant be done with the 1.5Bn this scheme will cost!

Apart from a Bonus to Labour Donors and external contractors involved in the production of said worthless piece of easily replicable piece of inconsequential tat!
 
#14
Smith's only following the advice of her New Labour spin manual: "when you lie, make it big, make it plausible, make it unverifiable".

She is the very model of a New Labour Project Minister. I suspect that she's been taking advice from Lord Mandelson of Rio since his return to the inner circle.
 
#15
ShovelRE said:
I like many other people used to have the attitude of "If you've nothing to hide, there's no reason to oppose ID cards", however, now I'm older, wiser, and unfortunately more cynical, I have to take the view that I believe the Government would, and has lied to me about many things in the past and are not to be trusted not to do so again, also, that their security of data is abysmal, and they cannot be trusted to look after it, so, no thanks Ms. Smith, fcuk off.


Your original assumption is that we have a government that is benign. It isn't nor ever has been. The first rule of governance is to control the population, easily done by 'frightening' the people to accept their new laws.
 
#16
Pillager said:
Have I missed the point?...

Show me who you are!........ This is my passport, its good enough to get me into a foreign country, is it good enough to let me walk down the street in my own?

Show me your ID card or Illthink you are a terrorist................ I am, I have an ID card but I can still blow up, >BANG<

Im very sorry sir Ive jsut paid your life savings into the account of a Mr Ngueela Dtsalaam from Nigeria, a gentleman came in earlier and said he was you.

What does an Identity card provide in terms of Proof, security or guarantee that carrying a passport, having a decent police force, or ensuring banks did their jobs, that cant be done with the 1.5Bn this scheme will cost!

Apart from a Bonus to Labour Donors and external contractors involved in the production of said worthless piece of easily replicable piece of inconsequential tat!
Going to Slovakia a couple of months ago, on a train, I suddenly realised I'd left my passport at home. Oh fcuk, I thought, but no, no checks in or out. This is Schengen. A release for normal travellers, a golden ticket for towelheads.
 
#17
Obviously when the useless drug addict Home Secretary made this statement she was probably under the inflence of one of her execotic spliffs and breifing servile hacks from Labour friendly publications.

As someone pointed out on another thread on this subject on this website,this is the Home Secretary who perceives crime is down and it is safe to leave one's doors unlocked.

Personally,I would not trust this b*tch as far as I could throw her.
 
#18
I've said it many a time. But once ID Cards are given the go ahead, the nation has lost its freedom and will never get it back.

Unfortunately, the majority of the people that will bother their arrse to turn out to vote at the next general election, will be all those that are in the pockets of the government. ie, those on welfare that rely on Liabour as their sole source of income.

Many of those that get on their soap-box to moan, never actually bother to vote anyway.

So we're fcuked....
 
#19
You pay to get a passport, that's not so bad, it has a use and the money goes into a government department (ok not all of it but some), you pay to get a driving license, that's ok, you need one for proof and again some of the money goes into the department.

Now i may be wrong, but this ID card doesn't really have any real use for normal people, all it will be useful for is the company who get paid to come up with the biometrics and other information to put on the card, so some nice labour/conservative party donor will get a nice juicy contract that is a guarantee to make money, what exactly do the public get, is it just another data storage on the nation which will get carelessly mislaid somewhere or tapped into?

As for stopping fraud, nowadays it's done over the internet, not exactly a place where an ID card is of any use, these people are clever enough to get peoples bank/card details, they're not going to suddenly be stumped because ID cards are out.

As for terrorism, i'm really scratching my head wondering how this would stop terrorists, if they're UK citizens and known then they'll be under surveillance, if they're UK citizens and not known then they'll just be unknown with an ID card in their pocket. Foreigners will have their ID from whatever country they're from, so where are these benefits for ID cards?
 
#20
Argee2007 said:
You pay to get a passport, that's not so bad, it has a use and the money goes into a government department (ok not all of it but some), you pay to get a driving license, that's ok, you need one for proof and again some of the money goes into the department.

Now i may be wrong, but this ID card doesn't really have any real use for normal people, all it will be useful for is the company who get paid to come up with the biometrics and other information to put on the card, so some nice labour/conservative party donor will get a nice juicy contract that is a guarantee to make money, what exactly do the public get, is it just another data storage on the nation which will get carelessly mislaid somewhere or tapped into?

As for stopping fraud, nowadays it's done over the internet, not exactly a place where an ID card is of any use, these people are clever enough to get peoples bank/card details, they're not going to suddenly be stumped because ID cards are out.

As for terrorism, i'm really scratching my head wondering how this would stop terrorists, if they're UK citizens and known then they'll be under surveillance, if they're UK citizens and not known then they'll just be unknown with an ID card in their pocket. Foreigners will have their ID from whatever country they're from, so where are these benefits for ID cards?
Even several heads of state security have said that it won't make a blind bit of difference to security and terrorism. But what do they know...!

http://www.no2id.net/
 
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