Water Wars

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  1. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    Oh, no... There were heating and draught in 2010 and especially 2012. It was not a result of "global warming" becouse in 1890-th there were more hot summers.
    There were enought of food for Russia, but export of wheal was banned, and (as anti-offtipic) it caused increase of bread prices in the Middle East (our traditional buyers) and was one of reasons for "Arabic spring".
    This summer was good for wheal and other plants.

    As I said earlier problem is not in the "environmenet". Problem is with intellect. If you have enought of food (and another resourses) reserves even "three years without summer" will not be a seriouse problem.
    We have federal agency "Rosreserv" and reserves of food enough for all Russian population for three years.
    And what are British reserves of food?
     
  2. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    Merci beaucoup. C'est très intéressant.

    Question of benefits is basic. How much they are ready to pay for our water? If they will suggest real business plan - why not?
    Thats what I mean. They have to choose, what they want more - independence or water. We shall not cultivate potentional islamists.
    Shortages of water and "political instability" will shortage potentional islamists. It's a good result, too. Not best, but good enough.
     
  3. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    First of all, most effective changer grasslands/forests is not fire, but big herbivores. If there are no big herbivores in biosystem - trees have an advatage, because trees are higher. If there are many big herbivores, as in Serengety - grasses have an advantage because of better regeneration.
    Big forests are anthropogenic landscapes created by hunters as wheal field is landscape created by farmers.
    From other point of view, big trees are effective vaporisers, and water vapour is most effective greenhouse gas, so - chopping a forests decrease emissions of H_2O, and creating swamps allow to utilize CO_2.
     
  4. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    Domestic cows are not worse, but they also can give milk, meat and skins.
     
  5. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    In any case, creating a reservoirs of food, fertilizers, other resources is good idea.
    We hope, it will be useful domestic animal.
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  6. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    Yes, it will be a funny. I really wanna see London and Londoners in -40C after Gulfstream will be change it's way.
     
  7. We don't accept "climatic refuugees". We can accept limited, but sufficient amount "working migrants".


    Nothing special. If they will be loyal - we can sell them any amount of water they need. If not - they can cut the throats to each other for a water (as it was before "Russian colonisators" were came). For those who love Russia and have enough education to be integrated in Russian society - there are chance to migrate in Russia.

    Every potentional disaster is a potentional possibility.

    Changing oceanic currents and disruptions to global weather systems are far more hazardous.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

    I am afraid that saying "bla, bla, bla" about things that you don't want to hear isn't going to help.
    It is the 'active work' of humans that have CAUSED the problems.

    You are fixated on loyalty to Russia and potential profit from disaster, (otherwise seen as leveraging other peoples misery for the benefit of Russia.) How very parochial.

    The fact is that if the climate changes as the science predicts, there will be more frequent, and more extreme weather events.Droughts, flooding and storms.
    At present, Russia has had a few years of good harvests. What happens when you have a few years of bad?


    At present, the main threat to Russia is Iran.
    It is massively overpopulated, and chronically short of water. Any mass refugee movement out of there can't go east into the deserts of Pakistan, can't go west into the deserts of Iraq, and can't go south into the ocean.
    When they start drifting north into the Russian underbelly, good luck with imposing discipline on them.
     
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  8. Don't fixate on the Holocene.
    Research the Paeleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM).
    It will, unfortunately, not agree with you.
     
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  9. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    I'm afraid that current humankind (on current level of technology) have no possibility to destroy Panama's Isthmus and close Dreak's Passage.
    Without it we have no practical possibility to reach PETM's climate.
     
  10. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    Life is fight. Fight with environment, including cold, rains, floods, épidémies, Barbarians, etc..
    If you don't fight - you don't live. All is simple.
    But climatic changes are not caused by human work, at least because they were much before creation of humankind.

    I preffer term "patriotic". I want good for Russia, and all other countries does not matter.
    And yes, what did you, Europeans do, when there were three years without summer? Nothing, but another invasion.
    No, guys, your problems are not our problems.

    May be. May be not. May be there will starts new Ice Age or Volcanic Winter after blast of Yellowstone's Super Volcane.

    Nothing special:
    0. Create reserves of food, fuel, tech, weapon in good years.
    1. Ban food export.
    2. Ban fuel export.
    3. Use forests, steppes, ocean resourses.
    4. Build food-factories, using gas and oil.
    5. Stimulate agricultural and military sectors.
    6. Conquere Ukraine (or other country with good harvests).
    No. They have no nukes, and unarmed people can not be seriouse threat.
    They have enough of fuel right now, and they will have more energy with their peaceful nuclear program to make enough of water.
    Attempt to go North will be suicide. Azerbaijan is allied with Russia, and even shadow of Persian threat will force Azers to ask Russia about military help.
    Europeans are more seriouse threat. Europe is overpopulated much more seriouse (without fuel import there can survive near 20% of current population) so, right after our "step 2" - they will start another attempt to conquere our resourses.
     
  11. Once again, your parochial and blinkered Russo centric obsessions blind you to the big picture.

    Life is not 'fight'. Life is co- dependency. Kill off part of an ecology or food chain and the whole suffers. Every apex predator needs a large food chain to support it, but when everything collapses, it isn't the lions at the top that survive. It's the lizards and dung beetles. Civilizations are the same. Not that you have one worthy of the name.

    Climate changes are an ongoing process, but unless you deliberately go out of your way to find a contrarian ( or bought- and- paid- for shill of the petrochem industry) you won't find a reputable scientist who doesn't think that human activity hasn't had a significant effect.

    Europe is not overpopulated. It is over-urbanised. Most of the Third World is going the same way. A sign of your cluelessness is the obsession with nuclear power. The problem isn't power, it is the Food-Energy-Water triad. Go away and look it up.

    Your 'patriotism' is small minded paranoid bigoted xenophobia, but we all knew that already.

    There is not a "your problem not our problem". There is an EVERYONE'S problem. It just isn't evenly distributed. Yet.


    So, the Russian solution to a global problem is to stockpile as much as possible, and steal from your neighbours?

    Parochial, petty, in denial and doomed to fail.You are a 19th century imperial fantasist stuck in a 21st century world.
     
  12. You don't need to replicate the oceanic currents. We have already exceeded the CO2 levels of the PETM, but the reaction times of climate changes can be very slow-Up until when they hit a tipping point.
    We just don't know where the topping points are.
     
  13. HSF

    HSF LE

    I dont have a sourse so dont know if there is any truth in this,that based on the amount on finatial aid given to africa in the past few years,ther was enough to provide a well for about every square mile of that continent.
     
  14. YarS

    YarS On ROPs

    Of course we need. Temperature is strongly dépends from types of atmospheric and oceanic circulation.

    Really? How much time you need to get effect of "greenhouse"?
     
  15. How true.
    You ought to see some of them walking in and out of our food banks around here.
    Not sure if they get slaughtered (maybe Friday nights on Buckfast) or skinned but it sure would relieve the welfare system a tad.