Water shortage, why?

#21
There's much more wasted 'run off' these days, as more and more people concrete over their front gardens to make extra parking.
Without large green 'soak' areas, especially in urban environments, the water table is dropping at quite a rate.
Thought that had been addressed, in the fact that you have to have a porus covering to allow seepage.
 

Gout Man

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#22
There's much more wasted 'run off' these days, as more and more people concrete over their front gardens to make extra parking.
Without large green 'soak' areas, especially in urban environments, the water table is dropping at quite a rate.
Well next time it rains really hard, (it rained yesterday in West Wales and very pleasant it was to), I'm hoping that it will flood the maze of tunnels my resident mole has dug and drown the little fecker!
Failing that my front lawn will be turned into a natural wild flower bed. No hose pipes required her thank you.
 
#23
There's much more wasted 'run off' these days, as more and more people concrete over their front gardens to make extra parking.
Without large green 'soak' areas, especially in urban environments, the water table is dropping at quite a rate.
Run off can be a problem, but I often think how much of a problem is it.

Has 92% of the country not been built on?

However run off is more to do with drainage especially in built up areas.

Even if the drains can’t cope, the water goes elsewhere but isn’t captured where it’s needed.

ISTR that Staffordshire is overcoming a water shortage by pinching water from Birmingham who in turn get it from Wales.

Water company’s are reducing leaks, and also doing the tried and tested method of curtailing customer use by charging for it.
 

Gout Man

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#24
Remember:
That your utility supplier is probably foreign owned.
That profit is their only motive
That your previous govenments decided to open the door to unfettered immigration
That we don't remove illegal immigrants in any numbers
That the water infrastructure is mostly over 100 years old
Climate change is kicking in due to world overpopulation
To build more reservoirs is expensive and will cause an environmental outcry

Just saying.
:omfg:

Did you just state the truth and the obvious.:salut:
 
#25
Hosepipe ban persists here in NI, despite us having had a decent amount of rain in the last few days. We weren't actually short of water as such: plenty in the reservoirs. The issue was that it was being used faster than NI Water could process it. To be fair to them, they have been fixing leaks pretty diligently of late.

We built the first stages of this a few years back:

Jebel Ali M-Station - Power Technology

If we were really stuck in NI, it wouldn't take too much to set Ballylumford Power Station up for desal, as the two plants have many of the same technologies built in. (Indeed, many of the same people were involved in both designs and builds)
 
#26
Franco was a very, very, very bad man. However, he did get reservoirs, water links and connections sorted out. All the water from the mountains (and there's a lot of them in Spain) go into the reservoirs he had built and runs off into places lower down the country which reaches the coastal areas and the vast, agricultural regions therein.
The only water restrictions I can remember was many years ago when it didn't rain (or very little) for nearly 4 years on the Costa del Sol.
We've had this sunny weather (30 to 35C daily) for over 2 months and no water restrictions despite the extremely poor run off areas and drains.
They built a desalination plant in Torrevieja on the Costa Blanca about 8 or so years ago but, whichever foreign country built it, cocked it up and the sea water stopped coming in because the pipes weren't long enough to reach or some such. Just coming on line now after 8 years of "improvements". Mind you, the population there increases from 100,000 up to 600,000 in the summer months.
Still no water shortage, though. However, it is illegal to wash your car on the street (something to do with the poor drains that can't cope with the detergent). You have to use a designated car wash area which filters and recycles the water and costs about 1 to 2 euro for a high pressure hose to do it.
Going inland to rural areas and you'll still find places that aren't allowed to put loo roll down the bog and have to put it in a bucket but they are now few and far between. The more modern places have a better infrastructure which is reaching the rural areas.
The reservoirs and run offs are the key, though, and Franco and his lot had the right idea.
Still using my automatic watering system in the garden and no restrictions on that.
 
#27
I do note that the reservoirs the beeb have listed are those feeding Manchester/Greater Manchester.
Given the amount of building that has gone on there over the past decade I'm wondering whether the lack of planning as regards water requirements has been foolishly left ignored.
 
#28
OK. Back in the day, well back, one bath a week was the norm, several using the same water. Now everyone takes at least one shower a day, and very few people raise a sweat, let alone get dirty. Clothes, wear once, chuck in the wash, maybe twice a day. Dishwashers? Don't get me started. Family of two using a dishwasher? Prats.
Rainwater used to run to soakaways, now goes to the dirty water system, thence out to sea a lot of the time.
As long as there's enough water for the beer, who cares.
 

Gout Man

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#30
Water shortage.
Not here in the South Wales valleys we haven't.
We've got loads of lovely water in our rivers and reservoirs.
I was at Llandegfedd reservoir a few weeks ago, it looked low, no said a worker, it's always at that level, it's just the way it looks. A lovely spot with a nice little cafe.
 
#31
The Usk at Abergavenny is a little low, but nothing to cause any concerns. The Afon Llwyd is the same.

All the reservoirs above Merthyr are looking fine as well.
 
#33
Why do we insist on using water purified and treated to the nth degree to flush our toilets?
I have always wondered this, new builds could be fitted with a "flush" tank for this purpose using rainwater. Maybe a government incentive to convert as well.
 
#34
Why do we insist on using water purified and treated to the nth degree to flush our toilets?
Because if we had drinking water and " grey " water supplies to homes at differing prices a lot of morons will be trying to sue because they've got ill from drinking the less treated water.

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#35
The water companies really must be taking the piss.....
Oh they do, and re-process it, and sell it on to us.

The water boards, for that is what they were originally called, were paid for and set up by local councils, paid from council taxes, they belonged to the local tax paying public, run as a service, and not for profit. Then along came Maggie, in effect she stole them, and sold them off to the highest bidder, for profit. Today you have the obscenity of life's most crucial component being sold for vast profits, which end up in foriegn investors and board room directors pockets. Combine this with the relatively un-checked influx of foriegn nationals, an expanding population, on a already overcrowded small island, no new reservoirs being built, and a reliance on a Victorian supply infrastructure, and you have the lunacy of an island surrounded by water, a comprehensive canal system, and rivers everywhere, and after 3 weeks of sunshine, a hosepipe ban. In 1976 it came down to standpipes in the streets and water bowsers, now some 42 years later and 10 million more people to supply, we are back to a war mentality on the supply and distribution of life's most precious component..... Rant over. END.
 
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#36
I was at Llandegfedd reservoir a few weeks ago, it looked low, no said a worker, it's always at that level, it's just the way it looks. A lovely spot with a nice little cafe.
You're selling the place to me.
 
#39
Run off can be a problem, but I often think how much of a problem is it.

Has 92% of the country not been built on?

However run off is more to do with drainage especially in built up areas!!.Ask the people of Oakey ,Toowoomba,the darling downs,Gatton and the Brisbane River valley about run off problems!! in 2011/2012 an area aslarge as germany and half of france was flooded by run off, caused by overdevelopment on the great dividing range from Crows nest to Stanthorpe, complete villages washed away, over 250 dead,100s of families left homeless,when natural water ways are built over the water finds the easiest way out, in our case Toowoomba the main roads became raging rivers sweeping everything before them, to say we were not prepared is putting it mildly, of course the geezers in charge of water management panicced because the dams were full, sothey opened the damgates:mad:successfully flooding the Gatton Plains and the brisbane river valley,bodies of victims from the gatton area were recovered in moreton bay 150kms away from flood source, we think run off is a PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even if the drains can’t cope, the water goes elsewhere but isn’t captured where it’s needed.

ISTR that Staffordshire is overcoming a water shortage by pinching water from Birmingham who in turn get it from Wales.

Water company’s are reducing leaks, and also doing the tried and tested method of curtailing customer use by charging for it.
 
#40
Because if we had drinking water and " grey " water supplies to homes at differing prices a lot of morons will be trying to sue because they've got ill from drinking the less treated water.

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Rainwater harvesting would be a sensible approach, particularly for remote properties.
 

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