Politically, and footprint wise, the US and UK are out of Sync and have been since the inception of the plan, this without a clear end-state and diminishing support are the root causes of this mission's failure.
woodyb said:Unfortunately true!
I first got to Basrah in Sept 03, and all were harking on about how great the Brits were, how the policy of 'softly softly' was so much better.
What a crock. A 'cheers easy' policy more like....we allowed the scrotes to sneak in and pull the rug from under us.
The local populace of Basrah/Umm Q etc are renowned throughout Iraq for being a bit......'simple' shall we say. Also a history of 'ali-baba ism' as well. The ability for the public that you've spent months winning over to turn on you on the clerics say so was gobsmacking. At least the yanks have won over some tribes (a huge part of Basrah/Maysan life) particulary in Anbar.
Equally gobsmacking was the extent of no 10's influence at Div HQ. Nothing like dictating policy and turning the blokes (and girls as well) into fig 11's..the whole place really is a giant puzzle palace and shame on the headshed for allowing themselves to be led by the nose...
I read people slating the yanks for over-zealousness (especially on counter-IDF batterys) on the boards. Those of us that have been there recently know what a crock of sh1t the whole thing is. This is an open forum so am not going to give incidents, but there's a lot to be said for shooting back instead of just sitting there day after day taking it and putting people in bags/filling up the BMH.
Someone slagged of a yank guy for suggesting that we have UAV's up 24/7 on search & destroy missions for MBP's........why? What do yu think are above Baghdad all the time (with fast air on call)? And they get results as well.
The reason WHY they ain't above Basrah is the same why britmil are still using snatch wagons etc etc-MONEY.
When the planned draw back happens, it'll be stated that this was intended all along. JAM etc will then state that they alone have driven the British from Basrah City (and you watch the IDF at the COB get REALLY outrageous), and that they will now drive them from Iraq itself.
Who'd you think the ordinary public in Basrah will believe?
What a mess.
saintstone said:Ask Ljonesy, he has an answer for everything and is quite adept at Brit bashing especially as the USofA are so good at everything.
Werewolf said:End of the day, this whole fcuking mess can be blamed on just two people: George Bush and Tony Blair. Nationality does not come into it. A cnut is a cnut no matter what flag he tries to wrap himself in.
cpunk said:It's quite possible that they did but were ignored. I can see fony B liar, nodding in agreement, grining inanely as the words go in one ear and out the other. Some people will only hear what they want to, doubly so if it goes against their preconceptions.Werewolf said:....if the military don't tell the politicians, clearly and unequivocally, that they need to be resolved before we deploy, then they aren't doing their jobs properly.
cpunk said:We now seem to be drifting. What is our aim? What is our mission? Why are we still there if we aren't achieving anything? These things are absolutely fundamental to the conduct of military operations, and if the military don't tell the politicians, clearly and unequivocally, that they need to be resolved before we deploy, then they aren't doing their jobs properly.