Warning - PVR-Ometer Getting Excited

Is it time to make a career change ?

  • I'm off - those who have left must know something !

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#1
I've heard an interesting factoid - that more RLC officers have PVR'd in the last 43 days than the whole of last year.
Sounds interesting.
Sudden changes to the CO plot for this year.
Even more interesting.

What's going on ?

[I realise this is officer oriented, but it is of concern to all ranks, I suggest, so that's why the topic is in this forum]
 
#6
Anything to do with the 2012 Olympics? and all the hang on companies that will be created to make mega books?

I've heard that certain members of he EOD community are jumping ship because of massive paydays
 
#7
BORO_LAD said:
Heard three half Colonels had binned it
well...there's only around 160 more to go, and with 25(ish) mainstream Comds there's still plenty of competition for the top jobs.....

Heard it all before, the situation is no worse now than it has ever been!
 
#8
BORO_LAD said:
Heard three half Colonels had binned it
Correctomondo, although binning it is a little extreme. Deciding that you do not wish to complete a full career is a choice, not an act of war - completely normal and a decision that most of us will face at some time or another.

PAW
 
#9
Bear in mind the RLC TA now have more Lt Cols than 2Lts...

msr
 
#10
msr said:
Bear in mind the RLC TA now have more Lt Cols than 2Lts...
msr
Yep...but the staff output is about the same!!!!

Goon!
 
#11
To add some more info to the factoid:

An average year of natural wastage at Maj rank is approx 136. This year just over 600 have PVR'd.

After the comd board was published, 6 Lt Col selected for comd PVR'd.
 
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Mr_Logic

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#12
If this is the news it is being painted as on this thread, it begs the question of whether or not it is just a (large) blip on the radar or the start of an exodus?

Secondly, is this issue related to the 07 ICB/SCB being half full of Majors going back to Sqn command for the second time and the recent Army letter suggesting WO2s can fill selected SO3 jobs?

Have the flood gates opened? Do we need to nominate a man to turn the lights off after the last one has departed? Will we all be contractors in a couple of years?
 
#13
Also paves the way for the lesser calibre of officer to pick up and piss the lads off, Domino effect, soldiers PVR rate increases. Or vice versa the officers picking up have a better understanding of the good old British Tommy, affect, retention is better? just a thought!
 
#14
17 Lt Cols are currently at PVR, of these 10 are within their final 2 years of service and it remains financially beneficial for them to jump ship now.

Yes, worryingly a few rising stars have sacked it, c'est la vie! It was ever thus and the combat arms have had this problem for many years!

My point remians extant, with 7 mid-career Lt Cols PVRing from a pool of nearly 200 (general malaise can give us the exact figures) is hardly catastrophic!

Regarding the Majs and sub-unit comd board, there remains a manning 'black-hole' of YOB 69-73 (ish) when the Corps in its infancy didn't recruit enough people.

Added to that more RLC sub units than initially predicted (FAS, Trg units at Deepcut etc) then indeed there is a short term deficiency of majs suitable for Sqn Comd - around 12 per year for the next couple of years.

Some people will get a 2nd command, great stuff i say!

Regarding lesser mortals getting Sqn Comd, no this won't happen - see above, this will continue to 'plug the gap UFN. Also remember the Corp over recruited in years 2000-2003 by approx 2-3% and commissionned considerable more LEs.... these offrs will enter the sub-unit command pot in approx 2011-2013

Crisis....what crisis!!
 
#15
Dibble said:
To add some more info to the factoid:

An average year of natural wastage at Maj rank is approx 136. This year just over 600 have PVR'd.

After the comd board was published, 6 Lt Col selected for comd PVR'd.
this is clearly army wide figures,,,, in the corps there are only around 500 majs
 
#17
I can confirm that this thread is correct and that Goon's Int is A1.

However, whilst it is true that more RLC Officers have signed off in the past couple of months than the whole of 2006 it should be the type and quality of Officers who have signed off rather than the quantity that we are worried about. (That said however, if many more do sign off over the coming months then we might start to worry a little).

The two scenarios we have to consider here are:

1. The over recruitment we carried out (and still would if we could to a certain extent) in the late 90’s will see us through this time of ‘mass-exodus’ and therefore there is nothing to worry about. Those that are good enough may get promoted a little earlier than they would have normally expected and the gaps will be filled by the pull from the junior officer cohort. We must also bear in mind that we are now actively turning OCdts away from the Corps at RMAS and are attracting a ‘better-quality’ of cadet.

2. We could find ourselves facing a domino effect whereby those ‘average’ Officers who were perhaps not confident enough to sign-off have seen their peers leaving coupled with the fact that a few of the Corps’ rising stars have decided to sack it will causing a lemming effect.

Either way it is too early in the year to start worrying about how many officers have or have not signed off. The best indicator in this respect would be to take a longer term view (perhaps 5 years) of our officer manning. Only if the trend is constantly downward (ie: we recruit and re-enlist less than we need for the sub-unit command plot in their year of command then will we need to start to worry). At the moment there are enough officers to fill the important LSNs and for those appointments that we do not have personnel to fill can be found from other areas such as E2, extra LE commissions and WOs to fill SO3 Appts (see other thread which discusses this issue).

I know that a certain ex-Corps Adjt, has his work cut out with all the PVR matters; some of whom he is not worried at all about processing!!!!

Co-incidentally, his view on this issue is that we shouldn’t worry about this – perhaps because of his own personal situation?? If anyone wants his full view on this issue (as he is the most up-to-date) then I’ll ask him for a direct quote!
 
#18
This simply confirms the low esteem in which the RLC has allowed itself to be held. This has largely occurred due to the persistent infighting between RAOC / RCT officers who still bicker about how great their Corps was. I know one ex-RCT Officer who still wears his RCT Stable belt and proudly displays it at the slightest oppurtunity. Now whilst he should be taken out and shot (for anumber of reasons) this kind of behaviour is completely indicative of the non acceptance hat RLC has formed and comprises an excellent mix of hard working and proffesional people who, rahter than pulling apart must embrace their new Corps and make it the best in the Army.
 
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fozzy

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#19
WincoSlayer said:
I've heard an interesting factoid - that more RLC officers have PVR'd in the last 43 days than the whole of last year.
Sounds interesting.
Sudden changes to the CO plot for this year.
Even more interesting.

What's going on ?

[I realise this is officer oriented, but it is of concern to all ranks, I suggest, so that's why the topic is in this forum]
What's going on? A bouyant economy that has severe skill shortages due to massive mega-projects and will pay good money for the right people. Look in any of the specialist trade press and there are lots of jobs for people who know which way is up.
 
#20
Outstanding said:
This simply confirms the low esteem in which the RLC has allowed itself to be held. This has largely occurred due to the persistent infighting between RAOC / RCT officers who still bicker about how great their Corps was. I know one ex-RCT Officer who still wears his RCT Stable belt and proudly displays it at the slightest oppurtunity. Now whilst he should be taken out and shot (for anumber of reasons) this kind of behaviour is completely indicative of the non acceptance hat RLC has formed and comprises an excellent mix of hard working and proffesional people who, rahter than pulling apart must embrace their new Corps and make it the best in the Army.
Cant be a lot of RCT/RAOC officers left surely
 

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