Warning. Grim Times Ahead

#2
I think it is a warning of a potential for insurgency rather than a definite prediction. The potential threat posed by a "fifth column" waiting direction from outside is scary. The correct combination of circumstances could indeed lead to mayhem.

This is an illustration of the disgraceful situation the nation is in, with open borders and a government more interested in lying about the shambles that is our immigration system, rather than doing anything about it.
 
#3
Seadog said:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article304303.ece

Intelligence chiefs are warning Tony Blair that Britain faces a full-blown Islamist insurgency, sustained by thousands of young Muslim men with military training now resident in this country.
I'm surprised at The Independent running this scary story, Yasim Alibhai Brown must be doing star jumps but I don't doubt the prediction for a moment.

Then what will we do?
So long as police do not run out of ammunition by allocating 8 rounds for all, who cares? Let them insurge - dropping them cheaper and quicker than deportation.
 
#4
Maybe I'll be issued a gun again :D
To be honest bring it on aslong as I get to fight back about time we re-take the country!
 
#5
When not at work I shall wear my tin Air Raid Warden's hat and prepare steaming mugs of tea and piles of bacon sandwiches for the nice young squaddies at the CP at the end of my road.

A well-connected source said there were more than 100,000 people in Britain from "completely militarised" regions, including Somalia and its neighbours in the Horn of Africa, and Afghanistan and territories bordering the country. "Every one of them knows how to use an AK-47," said the source. "About 10 per cent can strip and reassemble such a weapon blindfolded, and probably a similar proportion have some knowledge of how to use military explosives. That adds up to tens of thousands of men."
With suitable re-education by a crack Home Office department these men could be urgently re-brigaded into the TA and sent to Eye-Wrack.

Against this background, as many as 400 more armed police may be recruited in London.
I feel much better; four hundred more of us versus ten thousand? I was recently asked to re-authorise as an AFO, too.

V!
 
#7
"Ahh but.." Says the nice govement spinning top ".. all these scary naughty types couldn't possibly get hold of a nasty weapon like an AK47 because of our brilliant stance against all legal gun ownership.

And in other news IRA cells are disposing of thousands of firearms every week."

Cynical? Moi?
 
#8
More alarmingly:

Sir Ian Blair said:
...Concern has been expressed in the wake of the massive anti-terror operations that the police are being overstretched...
Hey lets see, first the amred services, now the police, whats next to be overstreatched?... oh sorry I forgot, that word isn't in New labour jargon. :roll:
 
#9
"About 10 per cent can strip and reassemble such a weapon blindfolded, and probably a similar proportion have some knowledge of how to use military explosives. That adds up to tens of thousands of men."
Oh I'm bloody terrified. Don't these 10's of thousands have to get their hands on weapons and military explosives as well? Scary scary scary , I shall be hiding under my bed. Absolute scaremongering bolloox. The London Bombers used homebrew. To arm cells even well below this scale, would be an immense undertaking, which would require a foreign government to fund. (Libya and the IRA). Are they saying this is possible right under the noses of SIS and the Police?

I would be more scared, if this "source" AKA "Private security consultant chopper who reads far too much Clancy" had said ' If 1 to 10 heavily armed men walked up and down Oxford Street cabbing at passers-by etc"

Military service is compulsory in a lot of countries, and some countries have fought wars. What this tool is saying, is that everyone who has ever fought a war in an African or Middle Eastern sh*thole , comes here, and is only waiting for the codephrase to launch bloody havoc and mayhem.

I'm surprised the Independant published this scaremongering , sensationalist shite too.
 
#11
Ten Michael Ryans/Thomas Hamiltons in Oxford Street rigged to go bang when their hearts stop (plod shoots them-to howls of indignation) was what crossed my mind.
 
#12
I want to know why The Independent ran this. It's prime Sunday Times fodder really.

Unless the narrative is "look where Tony's Iraq policy has gotten us" rather than the more accurate "look what shite border controls, slavish adherence to Article 3 of the ECHR and a PC-ridden Asylum policy has gotten us."

PTP's point about procurement for this ghost army of 10,000 Jihadists is spot-on. Then again, the scenario Seadog paints ^ isn't exactly Tom Clancy-esque any more is it?

V!
 
#13
It is claimed that the attorney general is considering charges of treason against 3 people.

"Hmm, " he said as he scratched his chin, "yeah right." Mrs Bliar and her ambulance-chasing chums will be onto this one in seconds and it won't survive an appeal under ECHR even if a judge doesn't throw any such charges out.

This is more smoke and mirrors to make it appear HMG is doing something.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4129502.stm

Radicals warned of treason risk

Omar Bakri Mohammed is one of three who may be prosecuted
Islamist radicals who express support for terrorism may face treason charges, the Attorney General's Office has said.
Lord Goldsmith and the Director of Public Prosecutions Ken Macdonald have discussed action against three individuals, a spokeswoman said.

The Crown Prosecution Service's head of anti-terrorism will meet Scotland Yard officers in the next few days.

Omar Bakri Mohammed, Abu Izzadeen and Abu Uzair will come under scrutiny.

The spokeswoman for the Attorney-General's Office said it was not clear at this stage whether there was enough evidence to bring charges.

Officials will be looking at broadcast and published comments as well as speeches and sermons made by the trip to followers.

"No decision on charges has been made yet. The CPS will be looking at it to see if any offences have been committed," she said.

For Muslims there, they have a duty to fight occupiers, whether they are British soldiers or American soldiers

Possible charges which will be considered include the common law offences of treason and incitement to treason.

Omar Bakri Mohammed is a London-based cleric for the al-Muhajiroun group.

On Friday while announcing new measures to clamp down on extremism, Prime Minister Tony Blair said that this group's successor organisation, the Saviour Sect, would be outlawed.

Mr Bakri caused controversy when he said he would not inform police if he knew Muslims were planning a bomb attack on a train in the UK.

He also expressed support for Muslims who attacked British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"For Muslims there, they have a duty to fight occupiers, whether they are British soldiers or American soldiers," he told Channel 4 News.

British-born Abu Izzadeen, a spokesman for the group al-Ghurabaa (the Strangers) has declined to condemn the 7 July London bombings.

He told BBC2's Newsnight the bombings were "mujahideen activity" which would make people "wake up and smell the coffee".

Abu Uzair, a former member of al-Muhajiroun, told the same programme that the September 11 attacks in the US were "magnificent".

He said Muslims had previously accepted a "covenant of security" which meant they should not resort to violence in the UK because they were not under threat there.

"We don't live in peace with you any more, which means the covenant of security no longer exists," he said.
 
#15
Reads like some journo. w"""""r's wet dream/nightmare. I don't doubt that there are other cells of terrorists read and willing to kill and die for their cause. But thousands? I doubt it. I'd be surprised if there were more than a hundred hardcore - willing to die as long as they take real people with them - terrorists in this country. Plus a few hundred others who will provide logistics, safehouses, intel. and recon. of targets etc.
I'm not downplaying the threat. A small group of utterly ruthless, commited terrorists can cause damage out of all proportion to it's size. But thousands of terrorists? Full-scale insurgancy in the UK? I smell s"""e.
 
#16
MrPVRd said:
It is claimed that the attorney general is considering charges of treason against 3 people.

"Hmm, " he said as he scratched his chin, "yeah right." Mrs Bliar and her ambulance-chasing chums will be onto this one in seconds and it won't survive an appeal under ECHR even if a judge doesn't throw any such charges out.

This is more smoke and mirrors to make it appear HMG is doing something.
Totally agree

All of sudden, turning The Shetlands into a UK Version of Guantanamo seems like a thoroughly good idea

Either that or turn the Kronprinz Wilhelm into a prison ship :)
 
#17
The source may be a speculation merchant with no more contacts in the police or MI5 than Blondebint but I do feel that things will kick off in a big way whatever the numbers and however competent they are at field stripping a weapon. I doubt such skill will serve them well in a contact with armed plod anyway.

How many bombs were found in the car at Luton? Had the car not been lifted there would have been another x suicide bombers. Come to think of it, they may be hard at work replacing their lost bombs applying the lessons of the 21st July duds. They have a major humiliation to avenge, all the failures rounded up, two of them on television with not much on.
 
#18
I think there is a potential threat that has been sexed-up as a possible or probable threat.

If the right circumstances existed - if the UK jumped into bed with Dubya on another neocon adventure, for example - then a call to jihad might encourage some of this fifth column into action. Weapons would be easy to obtain through existing smuggling (arms/drugs/people) routes and there is the frightening potential for some atrocities similar to the 1970s shoot-ups of airports etc.

Nevertheless, this scenario is unlikely.
 
#19
Aunty Stella said:
MrPVRd said:
It is claimed that the attorney general is considering charges of treason against 3 people.

"Hmm, " he said as he scratched his chin, "yeah right." Mrs Bliar and her ambulance-chasing chums will be onto this one in seconds and it won't survive an appeal under ECHR even if a judge doesn't throw any such charges out.

This is more smoke and mirrors to make it appear HMG is doing something.
Totally agree

All of sudden, turning The Shetlands into a UK Version of Guantanamo seems like a thoroughly good idea

Either that or turn the Kronprinz Wilhelm into a prison ship :)
The Shetlands? ferk.... try 'Rockall' for size, far better ;)

'Flashie' can drop em off in his 'taxi' and by the time he's back with the next load the first lots sort of err gone fer a swim..... :roll: Bit shit for the seagulls mind, but then they is 'shithawks' after all :) :) :)
 
#20
The Indescribably Boring is trying to blow everything out of proportion. To put it into perspective, even if it were 100% yrue and not just outrageous speculation, I can't be the only person on this site who chuckles when I see video footage of these kn*bheads receiving training; Let's face it, they are crap, and are more likely to shoot themselves or one of their owm men because most of them couldn't hit a barn door at 5 paces. They have probably received a level of training similar to any 12 year old kid who has fired an air rifle at the fairground. They have no idea of weapon maintenance, or even the most basic of infantry tactics.
Contrast that with the fact that every single British copper receives some weapons training (at least enough to make a weapon safe, at any rate), and an increasing number receive firearms training to an extremely high standard. Also, at any one time, there are roughly 100 000 people in the Army, not including reservists, plus RAF, RN, RM, etc. The average squaddie only actually serves for approximately 3 years. My maths is not very good, but that equates to an awful lot of people in this country who have been trained to a much higher standard than these rag-heads, may of whom who could be deployed or recruited at relatively short notice to respond to any threat.
 

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