War Pensioners and Fraud

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  1. Fraud & War Pensioners, the MOD are beginning a course of Covert Surveillance. This basically means spot checks throughout war pensioners to ensure that they are not committing fraud. This will probably cause a lot of outrage amongst the war pensioners.

    At a recent meeting in the House of Lords, Lord Morrison of Manchester, raised many questions that highlighted the facts of the surveillance in further detail (read below & link:


    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200607/ldhansrd/text/71018w0001.htm

    In a brief detail the outcome to this meeting found the evidence that investigations into claimants will only be conducted "if specific evidence in an allegation casts doubt on entitlement to pension or allowance in payment".

    The Minister of State was unable to comment on how many veterans would be subjected to covert surveillance as an allegation of fraud or to how much this will cost.


    18 Oct 2007 : Column WA63

    Written Answers
    Thursday 18 October 2007
    Armed Forces: War Pensioners

    Lord Morris of Manchester asked Her Majesty's Government:

    How many war pension claims have been made by ex-service men and women since 1987; whether in any case a claim has been judged to be fraudulent; and how this compares with claims in other sectors of public service. [HL5319]

    The Minister of State, Ministry of Defence & Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (Lord Drayson): From April 1987 to March 2007, 1.1 million claims (1) have been made. Records of the number of fraudulent claims are not available as these records are destroyed 18 months after they have been closed, in line with data protection policies. However, two cases have been found to be fraudulent in the past 18 months and a number of other cases are currently being investigated. It is not possible to make a comparison with other sectors of public service.

    (1) This figure includes all first claims to pension, deterioration and further condition claims, supplementary allowances, treatment claims, and war widow/widowers’ claims.

    Lord Morris of Manchester asked Her Majesty's Government:

    What assessment they have made of the extent of distress caused by subjecting disabled ex-service personnel making war pension claims to covert surveillance. [HL5404]

    Lord Drayson: The investigative strategy is appropriate and proportionate taking into account the known physical and mental health of the suspect of the allegation.

    Lord Morris of Manchester asked Her Majesty's Government:

    What cost-benefit analysis they have made of the practice of subjecting war pension claimants to covert surveillance; and how any such analysis was conducted. [HL5407]

    Lord Drayson: The Ministry of Defence is obliged to conduct appropriate investigations into allegations of fraudulent use of public funds. An investigation will be considered only if specific evidence in an allegation casts doubt on entitlement to the pension or allowance in payment.
     
  2. And the point of this is?

    Some ex-squaddies do all the things that some of civpop do - lie, cheat, steal, fiddle with children, shag their mother in law, knick little blond girls in foriegn climes and defraud what they can, when they can.

    It's a non-story and serves no other purpose than to confirm my (blatenly obviouse) statement above.