War breaks out in Faslane peace camp

oldbaldy

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#1
THEY'VE decided to give war a chance. In a bizarre development straight out of Monty Python's Life Of Brian, a bitter conflict has erupted among the normally peace-loving activists of the colourful and ramshackle anti-Trident camp near Helensburgh.

Instead of their usual earnest debate on how to turn missiles into ploughshares, the sandal-wearing, dreadlocked and holey-jumpered denizens of the camp are locked in a dispute that makes the MoD look positively pacifist.

A group of older protesters appear to be locked in a power struggle with a younger, more focused and media-savvy gang of recent arrivals. The air is thick with a crossfire of claim and counter-claim about thefts, intimidation and character assassination.

The peace protesters' row over what to do about Holy Loch has become so unholy that the police - who normally stand guard at the gates to Faslane - have visited the camp to talk to campaigners.

It may even be the case that the protesters are too busy fighting each other to combat the evils of the military-industrial complex.

Police insiders say there have been at least two days where dozens of officers were on duty outside Faslane and not a single protester turned up.

The original Faslane Peace Camp was set up in 1982 in protest at the government's decision to base the country's Trident nuclear submarine fleet there. There have been numerous large-scale protests and several high-profile arrests, including those of Tommy Sheridan and George Galloway.

However, last year, news of Whitehall's decision to renew the multibillion-pound defence plan prompted the creation of a new anti-nuclear group. Called the 365 Project, the aim was to hold a year-long protest outside the base.

But their arrival at Faslane, initially welcomed by existing camp members, has led to a rift between "senior" campaigners and the new residents.

The only camp resident to speak openly about the dispute is Monica Ridley, who has been a peace protestor for 30 years and has been at Faslane on and off for a decade. She told Scotland on Sunday: "These people [the 365 Project] are not interested in peace and protesting for it. They are only interested in power. What sort of message does that give out to the world in general?

"They are doing to me what they are accusing Tony Blair and George Bush of over Trident. They are treating me in the same way. Whatever morals they had, if they had any, seem to have gone out of the window. This is not about peace, it is about control."

Ridley claims she and her friends have been subjected to bullying and intimidation by several recently arrived protestors, saying:

• 365 Project members surrounded her and attempted to order her off the camp;

• She has been labelled "mentally ill" as part of a character assassination campaign by her enemies;

• Her caravan has been raided, items, including tea, coffee, biscuits and chocolate, have been stolen and other personal possessions, such as her crutches and haversack, have been tampered with;

• Plastic pots containing her home-grown vegetables have been deliberately overturned.

An ally of Ridley's backed her account but asked not to be identified. The peace campaigner says he was forced to leave the camp recently after suffering what he described as a campaign of intimidation.

He said of Ridley: "She has been picked on for dissenting. She has spent many, many years in the peace movement, yet what has gone on with her is an affront to the peace movement."

A spokesman for the 365 Project, who also requested anonymity, denied any wrongdoing on their part and insisted there was no civil war at the camp. He claimed the dispute was only about one "unwell" woman refusing to accept the majority view of the camp that she should leave. He said the lack of protestors at the gate on some days was because they were working a "shift system".

"Everyone will tell you that Monica is really very unwell," he said. "The camp did ask her, for her own well-being, to go home. She believes she has been assaulted and the police had to come to the camp because of the things she was saying.

"If someone was assaulted then we are a law-abiding people and we would respect the law."

A police source said they discovered the dispute when, on at least two occasions, there were no protestors at Faslane despite the presence of up to 100 officers. The insider said: "We decided to investigate and the next thing we are hearing all about splits and divisions within the camp itself. There are allegations of threats, intimidation and domestic abuse."

A spokesman for Strathclyde Police said no arrests or charges had been brought over the allegations at the camp, but officers may have offered advice to individuals there.
Politics of protest according to Monty Python's Life Of Brian

Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: F*** off!
Judean People's Front! We're the People's Front of Judea!
Brian: Can I... join your group?
Reg: Nah, p*** off.
Brian: I hate the Romans as much as anybody!
Reg: [brief pause] Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the f***ing Judean People's Front.
Stan: And the Popular Front of Judea.
Reg: Yeah. Splitters.
Stan: And the People's Front of Judea.
Reg: We're the People's Front of Judea!
Stan: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
Francis: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
Reg: He's over there.
Reg, Stan, Francis, Judith: SPLITTER!
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=782382007
 
#4
It is merely an Ironic display of how fighting doesn't achieve anything. It is purely for the papers.

To follow, the Irony of MAD.

(I can just see these two in the thick of it....


The modern parents (3rd and 7th from the left).

More here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Modern_Parents

or

 
#5
the british left in all its glory :cry:
never give up the chance of a viscous and pointless fight with people who share your view rather than there real target.
Mi5 arn't involved its too dangerous to get between lefties in a sectarian fight :D
 

oldbaldy

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#6
He said the lack of protestors at the gate on some days was because they were working a "shift system".
Think they were hoping the guards operate the same system of shifts?
 
#7
So whilst these cnuts are protesting (when they can be bothered) outside faslane and argueing over who's nicked the chocolate buiscuits , who is keeping them in lentils and tofu?

Would they by any chance be claiming dole?

Cnuts the lot of them.
 
#8
Cow said:
MI5 are doing a good job then.
I think you got it in one "Cow". Thought the same myself as I read the article. A story brought to us by the same people who all those years ago brought us the tale of Marianne Faithfull being found to be all fur coat and Mars bar during a drugs bust at Keith's Richard's house.
Apparently there was not a word of truth in that story either,- unfortunately, according to some of her fans.

Hard to believe now but it was thought back then that Rock music was a threat to the state. So they used all manner of black propaganda to try and discredit it.
What they didn't realise is that all they had to do was wait a few years and the likes of Sting, Bono, Geldolf and the brothers Gallahar would do it all by themselves.
 
#10
Hell slap it up them. Lazy good for nothing dope smoking dole spongers.

They have done no good at all. It's about time they wised up and went home.
 
#11
This sort of stuff has to be expected when you get people with deeply held principles living cheek by jowl. You only need to mix in a couple of strident personalities or egotistical types - then sit back and watch it all disintegrate.

The references to the Life of Brian are a lazy journalist's sad attempts at padding out the 'story' and are a hackneyed pandering to stereotype.

I'm surprised that Channel 4 or some other sad outfit hasn't wired up some of these people with the aim of bringing it to our voyeuristic eyes on a Satdee Neet.
 
#13
You would'nt believe this but one of the unwashed is Heather Ripley. I knw the name doesn't mean anything to most of us but she played "Jemima" in the Walt Disney version of Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang.

How the mighty have fallen?
 
#14
Taz_786 said:
Why cant they have periodic protests instead of a permanent camp?

Like that flash-mobbing thingy.
because then they would find it harder to justify sitting around doing nothing rather than getting a job.

It's just an excuse to be lazy, like that cnut swampy, when he gives up protesting what does he go and do?

lives in a f**king sqaut in yorkshire and claims dole. :roll:

There is absolutly no reason why they can't protest and hold down full time or even part time jobs.
 

RP578

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#15
AndyPipkin said:
I strongly recommend 'What's Left?' by Nick Cohen to those interested in seeing the state of self-loathing and hypocracy in the modern left.
Taking a VERY deep breath ... I'm actually going to agree with AndyPipkin. Cohen is from a traditional socialist left tradition and is habitually astounded at how moral-relativism has overtaken the 'progressive Left'. A good example would be how many so-called Progressives would prefer success for Al Qaida inspired Islamists in Iraq or Afghanistan simply because they are anti-Ameican or anti-Western, seemingly unminded to the fact that they are willing on an extreme Fascism that would not hesitate to throw them in the cattle-truck.

As Cohen's book points out, this is not a new phenomenum, it's as old as the chattering classes (the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact being an example of how even non-Communist lefties performed mental gymnastics to accomodate the new party line). However, in Britain at any rate, it was always tempered by the fact that the Labour movement was grounded in the Trade Union movement and its working class sentiments. Since the death of Old Labour (and any meaningful Union movement), the intelligentsia have run free grabbing a cause wherever they can find one (I remember Tibet being briefly fashionable in the 1990's, but Palestine is the bankable one these days).

Back to the original topic, I had to work alongside some of the professional protest movement back in the mid-90's at the height of the 'Crusty' movement when just about every tree in the Thames Valley had a hippy claiming to be its new bestest friend. They reminded me of evangelical Christians or Socialist Worker Party activists in the way they proselytized and held meetings. The factionalism was beyond parody (and Life of Brian really doesn't do it justice) and incessant. The paranoia and periodical denunciations of 'wrong thinkers'/'splitters' or entryist rivals/alleged narks was also unnerving.

These people aren't a threat to the State, they can't even agree to have a washing up rota (one peace group in the South East split on this very issue due to one set of activists decrying its 'authoratarian' nature). A good TV series on some of these groups was "Lefties" by the BBC.
 
#16
RP578 said:
AndyPipkin said:
I strongly recommend 'What's Left?' by Nick Cohen to those interested in seeing the state of self-loathing and hypocracy in the modern left.
Taking a VERY deep breath ... I'm actually going to agree with AndyPipkin. Cohen is from a traditional socialist left tradition and is habitually astounded at how moral-relativism has overtaken the 'progressive Left'. A good example would be how many so-called Progressives would prefer success for Al Qaida inspired Islamists in Iraq or Afghanistan simply because they are anti-Ameican or anti-Western, seemingly unminded to the fact that they are willing on an extreme Fascism that would not hesitate to throw them in the cattle-truck.

As Cohen's book points out, this is not a new phenomenum, it's as old as the chattering classes (the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact being an example of how even non-Communist lefties performed mental gymnastics to accomodate the new party line). However, in Britain at any rate, it was always tempered by the fact that the Labour movement was grounded in the Trade Union movement and its working class sentiments. Since the death of Old Labour (and any meaningful Union movement), the intelligentsia have run free grabbing a cause wherever they can find one (I remember Tibet being briefly fashionable in the 1990's, but Palestine is the bankable one these days).

Back to the original topic, I had to work alongside some of the professional protest movement back in the mid-90's at the height of the 'Crusty' movement when just about every tree in the Thames Valley had a hippy claiming to be its new bestest friend. They reminded me of evangelical Christians or Socialist Worker Party activists in the way they proselytized and held meetings. The factionalism was beyond parody (and Life of Brian really doesn't do it justice) and incessant. The paranoia and periodical denunciations of 'wrong thinkers'/'splitters' or entryist rivals/alleged narks was also unnerving.

These people aren't a threat to the State, they can't even agree to have a washing up rota (one peace group in the South East split on this very issue due to one set of activists decrying its 'authoratarian' nature). A good TV series on some of these groups was "Lefties" by the BBC.
Completely agree, you can let that deep breath out.

It's like Terry Pratchett says, - more or less, - wise men like the idea of impressionable young ladies coming up to ask them questions, but aren't too happy about the living on a mountain in a loin cloth on a bowl of rice a day.

If they really had the courage of their convictions they would give up everything to be there and protest. But at the end of the day comfort and what the Jones think wins out. But you can see this over all the spectrums of society, who is worse these protesters or the upright stockbroker who goes to church every sunday, singing the loudest, but when his son falls in love with a chinese girl forgets his christian principles and throws a wobbler? - Actually a true story.
People all over fail to think things through, want to be in charge and believe that their view is the only one, thus looking down on everybody else, who they often claim are equal, except when they disagree or fail to acknowledge their place.

Do we teach honesty and realism any more?
 

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