Walking Our Green And Pleasant Land - Another Ban??

#1
As a regular walker on these slopes I cant believe 2 have died in the last week. Its ripe for a ban by HSE, given the litigious nature of our society and the stance of government departments in wishing to control our lives.

Condolences to the families of those who died


Climber killed in 1,600ft plunge

Helvellyn is one of the area's highest peaks
A man has died after falling 1,600ft (487m) from a ridge on Helvellyn.
David Burke, 41, from Newcastle, was out walking in a party of five people on the mountain, which is one of the Lake District's highest.

It is the second death on Helvellyn in less than a week. On Wednesday a 62-year-old man was killed when he was blown off a ridge and fell 1,000ft.

The latest tragedy happened on Saturday afternoon at Striding Edge ridge, one of the most popular areas with walkers.

Potential dangers

The Patterdale Mountain Rescue Team attended the scene and Mr Burke was airlifted to hospital in an RAF helicopter, but was pronounced dead.

Police said the coroner had been informed.

Insp Barry Bell from Cumbria Police, who co-ordinated the rescue effort, warned walkers to be aware of the potential dangers of walking in the area.

He praised the efforts of rescuers, but urged walkers to be "extremely aware" of weather conditions and their own abilities, while planning to venture onto the Lake District fells.

He added: "You never get used to any instances like this.

"I understand people enjoy walking, but when you have a devastating consequence when somebody loses their life doing something they enjoy you know it's particularly difficult for people who attend."

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#2
I can't see them banning going up onto the hills but it might reopen the argument about people having some form of insurance before they venture out. The HSE people might jump on that idea.
Personally, people should be responsible for themselves and make sure they have the right kit and clothing and should take account of the weather and conditions - common sense . But, accidents happen....and anybody who has to make use of rescue organisations should always make a donation, I think. Condolences to the family of hose that died.
 
#3
I live in Snowdonia. The conditions here have been dangerous for most of the last week which has stopped all but the very able and the very stupid from venturing on to the peaks.

I wont be joining them, however, as I broke a metatarsal on Tuesday.
 
#4
trackbasher said:
I can't see them banning going up onto the hills but it might reopen the argument about people having some form of insurance before they venture out. The HSE people might jump on that idea.
Personally, people should be responsible for themselves and make sure they have the right kit and clothing and should take account of the weather and conditions - common sense . But, accidents happen....and anybody who has to make use of rescue organisations should always make a donation, I think. Condolences to the family of hose that died.
I hear what you say but how would Insurance made any difference to the two dead walkers (not climbers AFAIK). It wouldn't have.
I think Inspecter Bell has been to the half-wit college of fcuk wit press/media relations:

"I understand people enjoy walking, but when you have a devastating consequence when somebody loses their life doing something they enjoy you know it's particularly difficult for people who attend."
 
#5
Insp. Bell should be happy....2 less nuts to worry about next time weathers bad.This happens every winter why the surprise????
 
#7
grippar said:
Insp. Bell should be happy....2 less nuts to worry about next time weathers bad.This happens every winter why the surprise????
Thats the point, it doesnt happen every winter on Striding edge, FFS.
 
#10
GordonBrown said:
grippar said:
Insp. Bell should be happy....2 less nuts to worry about next time weathers bad.This happens every winter why the surprise????
Thats the point, it doesnt happen every winter on Striding edge, FFS.
Perhaps people have become that much more stupid. Who would do Helvelyn in this weather for Gods sake.
 
#12
I did read somewhere that Mountain Leaders taking people scrambling or climbing were been looked at by the Health & Safety commission on 'working at height regulations'
they would be in fact, brought into line with say a factory worker working up a ladder!!
I got a feeling it got put on the back burner - by common sense!!
but they were thinking it....

I've met some right Dumpty's both up Helvellyn and other mountains
you could start a thread on 'Walting mountaineers'
 
#13
To put things in perspective a tad

Using this site:-

RoSPA

It transpires that, in 2002;

3116 accidents involved "Hill/Fell or Hillside"

but a <drumroll> staggering


67,363 involved "Shopping"

So, rope up and hard hat in those dangerous Malls.
 
#14
the h and se working regs vs outdoor sports was hard fought by the H&S nazis
but they lost.
whats appropriate for factory/building site is not safe or appropriate for climbing :roll:
took a while for the idiots to realize that and still had to be talked to quite strongly
 
#15
Northern_Biff said:
As a regular walker on these slopes I cant beleive 2 have died in the last week. Its ripe for a ban by HSE, given the legitigious nature of our society and the stance of government departments in wishing to control our lives.

Condolences to the families of those who died
Er, where does it say that we're going to be banned from walking up hills?

As far as I can see, you've just got "outraged" about something that is only in your mind.

What's the matter, did a man in a hi-viz vest and hardhat scare you as a child?
 
#16
I think the answer to your pedantic pointless point is in the rest of the sentence:

Its ripe for a ban by HSE, given the litigious nature of our society and the stance of government departments in wishing to control our lives.

Maybe you should ask him to write it in Capital letters for you.

Whats up, did biff bung a chunk up your Mrs?
 

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#17
Northern_Biff said:
As a regular walker on these slopes I cant beleive 2 have died in the last week. Its ripe for a ban by HSE, given the legitigious nature of our society and the stance of government departments in wishing to control our lives.

Condolences to the families of those who died


Climber killed in 1,600ft plunge

Helvellyn is one of the area's highest peaks
A man has died after falling 1,600ft (487m) from a ridge on Helvellyn.
David Burke, 41, from Newcastle, was out walking in a party of five people on the mountain, which is one of the Lake District's highest.

It is the second death on Helvellyn in less than a week. On Wednesday a 62-year-old man was killed when he was blown off a ridge and fell 1,000ft.

The latest tragedy happened on Saturday afternoon at Striding Edge ridge, one of the most popular areas with walkers.

Potential dangers

The Patterdale Mountain Rescue Team attended the scene and Mr Burke was airlifted to hospital in an RAF helicopter, but was pronounced dead.

Police said the coroner had been informed.

Insp Barry Bell from Cumbria Police, who co-ordinated the rescue effort, warned walkers to be aware of the potential dangers of walking in the area.

He praised the efforts of rescuers, but urged walkers to be "extremely aware" of weather conditions and their own abilities, while planning to venture onto the Lake District fells.

He added: "You never get used to any instances like this.

"I understand people enjoy walking, but when you have a devastating consequence when somebody loses their life doing something they enjoy you know it's particularly difficult for people who attend."

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I guess this must have been on Striding Edge? I was up there once when it was frosty/slippery as well as windy, it got the heart rate up for sure....

In mainland Europe this would be a Klettersteig/Via Ferrata etc with a wire or ladder in appropriate places - does not seem to impact the vista or environment and allows access to some great spots which would otherwise need a lot of kit or skill to get to.
Why not take that as an option?
 
#18
"In mainland Europe this would be a Klettersteig/Via Ferrata etc with a wire or ladder in appropriate places - does not seem to impact the vista or environment and allows access to some great spots which would otherwise need a lot of kit or skill to get to.
Why not take that as an option?"

Because it makes it easier for those with less skill or knowledge, thus increasing the risk. It's reverse psychology I know.
 
#19
Having just joined the local Rescue Team (Longtown MRT based in Abergavenny) we were out yesterday on a training ex.

Now I'm an experience walkers/climber along with the rest of the team. I checked the weather before hand, took kit bag with spare clothes and waterproofs, had map, compass, whistle etc. had a known route logged with the team van.

Half way down from the Sugar Loaf we come across 2 girls in trainers, jeans and fur lined coats who were cold wet and lost. Luckily only a mile or so to thier car.

The winds on the weekend were extreme, we were struggling to stand up in some places, luckily the route wasn't to steep, and we were sensible and just stopped when the wind got too bad. But again there were people out trying to fight the wind and failing, falling over and generally unable to stick to the path.

People will never learn - but the MR teams don't criticise anyone, we leave that to the Police. I also believe the general consensus is that we wouldn't want to charge for the service, as this would put people in more danger as they would hold off calling in until things got very bad.

H&S has hit us as well, with concerns about insurance while driving with blue lights on, insurance concerns and training requirements.

Saying that it's an expensive game going to find people on the hills and it's all done through fund-raising, there is no support from the Government. So on a shameless promotional note, anyone interested in pushing themselves a bit in the Brecon Area, May '08, might want to try the BBMC - http://www.longtownmrt.org.uk/BBMCFORM2008.pdf

Anyway, my rant over

S_R
 
#20
GordonBrown said:
I think the answer to your pedantic pointless point is in the rest of the sentence:

Its ripe for a ban by HSE, given the litigious nature of our society and the stance of government departments in wishing to control our lives.

Maybe you should ask him to write it in Capital letters for you.

Whats up, did biff bung a chunk up your Mrs?
Pedantic pointless point? No, the rest of that sentence pretty much proves what I'm saying. As far as I can see from what's written there is no threat of HSE Nazis banning hillwalking, climbing or cream teas for that matter. therefore Biff (and presumably you) are getting yourselves all excited about something that hasn't happened, hasn't even been commented on by HSE, and isn't likely to be.

It seems to me that Arrse is often devalued by threads such as this making mountains out of molehills, justifying their efforts by blanket blaming HSE, MOD, Newlabour, Tony Blair etc. Why not keep your powder dry for an ACTUAL case of HSE buffoonery rather than having a go at them for something you've made up?

And from your post I'd suggest it's more likely that Biff's chucked one up you GB...
 

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