Wales to Nationalise Railways

[lastwalt]

Different specialisms. If you have a heart attack, do you want a cardiologist or a GP to be your surgeon?



They will do PACE isn't optional.



With a photo.

On a big postcard.

PACE84 has no locus in Scots Law, the equivalent is the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act.

 

[ThelmatheBelmer]

Sounds like we need a Welsh version of Hadrian's wall.

Rebuild Offa's dyke?

 

[ThelmatheBelmer]

Are you really comparing a plod with a Cardiologist?

No. I'm asking would you prefer someone with specialist knowledge, or someone with a broader general knowledge to assist when you needed specific assistance.

 

[Blogg]

Sounds like we need a Welsh version of Hadrian's wall.

Can Chester dwellers now shoot the Welsh with arrows on days other than Sunday?

The scum from Wrexham will soon be flooding across the border to pillage. Once somebody in the Welsh government has worked out and told retailers what "non essential" goods actually are of course.

Imagine there are also going to be special shops only members of the ruling party can use.

Wales lockdown: Supermarkets told to sell only essential items

Retailers will be barred from selling items like clothes when Wales goes into a two-week lockdown.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[ThelmatheBelmer]

PACE84 has no locus in Scots Law, the equivalent is the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act.

My error. Thanks for the Correction.

 

[ThelmatheBelmer]

Can Chester dwellers now shoot the Welsh with arrows on days other than Sunday?

The scum from Wrexham will soon be flooding across the border to pillage. Once somebody in the Welsh government has worked out and told retailers what "non essential" goods actually are of course.

Imagine there are also going to be special shops only members of the ruling party can use.

Wales lockdown: Supermarkets told to sell only essential items

Retailers will be barred from selling items like clothes when Wales goes into a two-week lockdown.

www.bbc.co.uk

Bicycle shops? Really?

 

[Blogg]

Bicycle shops? Really?

They are essential and will be Nationalised soon enough Comrade.

The Welsh Transport Strategy forsees the glorious day when overt measures to restrict personal car ownership will be in place to increase fairness.

 

[lastwalt]

They are essential and will be Nationalised soon enough Comrade.

The Welsh Transport Strategy forsees the glorious day when overt measures to restrict personal car ownership will be in place to increase fairness.

Same in England. Bike shops were exempt during the full shutdown all across the UK. Grant Shapps is obviously a comintern sleeper.

 

[lokiuk]

Can Chester dwellers now shoot the Welsh with arrows on days other than Sunday?

The scum from Wrexham will soon be flooding across the border to pillage. Once somebody in the Welsh government has worked out and told retailers what "non essential" goods actually are of course.

Imagine there are also going to be special shops only members of the ruling party can use.

Wales lockdown: Supermarkets told to sell only essential items

Retailers will be barred from selling items like clothes when Wales goes into a two-week lockdown.

www.bbc.co.uk

Alcohol is classed as an essential item in lockdown, so you might be safe from the inhabitants of Wrexham

 

[Edwardian Fred]

Rebuild Offa's dyke?

Offa self identifies as lbtq these days.

 

[RBMK]

Those of you who are in the know will realise that it's the same shower of morons running TfW rail franchise as are looking after the military estate in the UK

Keolis Amey Operations (Welsh: Gweithrediadau Keolis Amey), trading as Transport for Wales Rail Services (TfW Rail Services) is a Welsh train operating company owned by Keolis (60%) and Amey (40%) that operates the Wales and Borders franchise.

My son has used the Swansea - Crewe service on a number of occasions and he, even being a non-rail buff, says that it's crap. Often overcrowded even off-peak, often late and usually dirty -- and SLOW.

Unfortunately, "nationalisation" or more correctly termination of the franchise won't really help because the newest trains they have are ~20 years old (Class 170 TurboStars & Class 175 Coradia) most of the rest are 40 years old (Class 150 Sprinters) and they even have a couple of dozen Class 142/3 Pacers smashing the track to pieces on the Valley lines.

Infrastructure will stiill be run by Network Rail (aka Notwork Rail) and the same drivers / guards and station staff will still be employed because you can't magic up a bunch of fully trained new staff, and even most of the front line management will be the same - ditto you can't magic up a bunch of experienced and trained managers to run the service.

 

[FourZeroCharlie]

It (the nationalisation of Welsh railways) will never happen and is nothing more than another pie-in-the-sky Socialist daydream by 'Ugwe' Drakeford and his cabal.

Currently, the Welsh public finance deficit stands at £13.5bn*.

Yep, that's billion.

If Wales was a business, the receivers would have been called in years ago.




*Wales’ Fiscal Future – Public Finances within the UK & Independence – State of Wales

New report analyses £13.7 billion deficit in Wales’ public finances

Austerity cuts have reduced spending and deficit significantly, experts say

www.cardiff.ac.uk

and links passim

 

[bobthebuilder]

So private companies cream off the profits for shareholders without paying in to the infrastructure upgrading and now times are hard want to hand it back to be nationalized, crack on but next time it goes private it will include the bailout costs.

Private companies do not own the infrastructure. It “belongs” to Network Rail, which is government owned. The Train Operating Companies (TOC) pay fees to use the railways; why would they pay for infrastructure investment which is legally and contractually Network Rail’s responsibility to provide.

Next, the tenure of contract of a TOC is IIRC 7 years. There’s no return on major capital investment in that time, which is why the TOCs all lease their trains. Why on earth would a private company invest in infrastructure when someone else can come in with a loss leading bid and take the benefit?

In fact, I’d go further. Almost all of Britain’s railways were built by private companies. The shareholders of those companies were not compensated for their property when the railways were nationalised. Their assets were sequestered by the government of the day.

Those assets were then sold by the Major government when Network Rail was privatised. Only to be sequestered a second time when Stephen Byers re-nationalised rail infrastructure for a second time.

Why the **** would any private company or individual invest in railway infrastructure in Britain?

 

[johnboyzzz]

Who would play the part of the Fat Controller?

Answers on a postcard.

He's only a simple crofter

 

[Filthy_contract]

2 different types of policing. I believe BTP operates under PACE84 whereas Police Scotland doesn't. I stand to be corrected.

And funding. BTP is paid for by the train operating companies, I understand.

 

[Yokel]

They will soon have trains that go as fast as a rocket - Stevenson's Rocket.

I am not sure how they intend to nationalise only the Welsh parts - perhaps trains will stop at the border and all the passengers will move to/from other ones for the non Welsh part of their journey?

Absurd!

 

[Old Stab]

99% of everything that comes out of the Welsh Assembly is pish!

The only reason Labour is in power is that the Old Valleys mining communities still view anything other than the Red Labour Rose as the enemy.
Stick a Red Rosette on a donkeys arse as a Labour Party candidate and the thick valleys twats would Still vote for it.

 

[Blogg]

Why the **** would any private company or individual invest in railway infrastructure in Britain?

It is an impossibilty. Nearest you get is opening up the public purse and say to something perverse that exists only to take the piss: "Help yourself" (See: HS2)

The number of people who still don't know what Network Rail really is, let alone that it is in public ownership, is staggering.

Bit like those who are allowed to think that the BBC still runs UK radio and TV transmission infrastructure

 

[LARD]

It worked when I was a kid.

'Helm the Steam' doesn't quite have the ring to it as 'Jones the Steam'. Does it?

 

[AsterixTG]

'Helm the Steam' doesn't quite have the ring to it as 'Jones the Steam'. Does it?

'Man the Helm' says something though...