Wake up Dave - time for a Tory policy shift?

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  1. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    With the gradual shift of both main parties to the center over the last two decades, the remaining vacuum on the right and left wing is being filled by others.
    My morning coffee has just been spoiled by the Telegraph YouGov poll:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6417906/One-in-four-would-consider-voting-BNP.html
    and to confirm:
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Voters-Would-Consider-BNP-Daily-Telegraph-Poll-Finds-After-Nick-Griffin-Question-Time-Appearance/Article/200910415414525?lpos=UK_News_News_Your_Way_Region_6&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15414525_Voters_Would_Consider_BNP%2C_Daily_Telegraph_Poll_Finds_After_Nick_Griffin_Question_Time_Appearance
    Seems to me a couple of policy shifts in the Tory manifesto would net a sizeable chunk of voters, most of whom just seem fed up with socialist policies.
    The immigration policy revelations are a disgrace to Labour - but their coffin needs no further nails, time for Dave to start fighting an election rather than just fight the Labour party methinks.......
    I don't think the Tories need to go that far either, but how far to go before losing the center ground voters?
     
  2. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    Dithering Dave is starting to annoy me
    As I posted on another thread he seems on a path of self destruction and dosen't want to win
    Perhaps he has found out what state the country is in and thought "fukc this"
    I know 5 minutes after he says something the Prime Minister announces it as his new policy but he needs to stand up be hard and start addressing these issues

    The Goverment are relying on the BNP and other fringe parties nicking Tory votes it's the only hope they have to cling to power
     
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  4. Both parties are not addressing why people are voting BNP.. they can do all they want trying to hammer down the BNP... they will keep coming back in till they start addressing why people turn to them. That is how they willbe defeated..

    Just glad Nick Griffin is not a charismatic character like Le Penn was in France. Otherwise he may gain more supporters...
     
  5. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    I should imagine steps will be taken shortly at BNP to rectify that
    A bit of softening on policy here and there start capturing the vote

    As an aside my mother had the BNP lad knock on the door at the last General Election and he explained who he was (Ex RAF)
    She told him I don't agree with your policies
    He just said thats fine Ma'am may I leave you a leaflet and left it that

    She said he was far better than the Labour bloke who wouldn't shut up even though she answered the door on the phone and despite her libving in an ex council house tried to convince her how better of she was under Gordon and Tony than she had been under Thatcher despite them wrecking her pension and her being worse of than the couple next door who despite her being on the dole for 30 years managed to lift 18k out of Northern Rock when it went under

    If the BNP had a bit better policies I can see where some votes would come from
     
  6. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    The thought did cross my mind, but I don't buy it looking at the alternatives from Camerons perspective.
    I sense more a fear of the rather fickle center ground voters. How do you gauge how much support there really is for rights over justice, tolerance over tradition, etc etc?
     
  7. Isn't it interesting that the idea of the all women short lists have gone down a real wow, from Blairs Babes to Daves posh totty, watch a U turn on this bit of lunacy.
     
  8. The BNP are being attacked internally etc by the security services. Been happening for quite a while...

    Proper debate CANT happen because they'v got lots of enemies attacking them endlessly while the likes of you think they need to change when they are in a defensive position. Understand?.
     
  9. Principles, otherwise everyone in this land is in deeply dangerous doo doo. We're all in deep shit.
     
  10. seaweed

    seaweed LE Book Reviewer

    The last time a Labour canvasser came to my door I told him to get his filthy Bolshevik feet off my nice clean garden path. I now realise that was very wrong of me, and I should have engaged him in discussion - for a very, very long time so that I wasted the max amount of his time and bggered up the rest of his evening's work.
     
  11. There's certainly a risk to slippery Dave's New Tories from the Right folk like UKIP and the BNP splitting the hard core Tory base's vote but its in the center that the next election will be won or lost.

    Dave will be seeking to peel voters away from Labor. Not hard you'd think but if he slides into sensitive areas they may simply get flash backs to the awfulness of the last Tory regime and stay at home. His swift reaction to the recent "Death Panel" kerfuffle was telling.

    There's a surprisingly large section of voters that still has a hard on for Tony Blair. Blairistas are in mourning for their lost leader, they could easily embrace a Tory version of Blairism, hardly an ideological stretch for Dave as was it Thatcherism with better spin doctors. If former PR man Cameron can maintain his impersonation, offer lots of market forces blather, tad more fiscal responsibility and promises to start rather fewer wars the lad will sail into power. The real question is will he have a decent majority and be able to do much?

    Recent Yougov polling suggests the Tories would not get an overall majority. A Tory success could hinge on just how badly the recovery proceeds. Fortunately for them the UK's systemic weaknesses, particularly its over reliance on a bloated finance sector, do not offer a promising future.

    Are the Tories still a shoo-in? by Peter Kellner
    So Dave must hammer Brown on his fiscal failings, chant the the boom to bust mantra and grin like a Baboon in homage to Blair. He can't afford to pander to the margins of his base just yet, that will have to wait until he's in No 10 and then the mask can drop.
     
  12. I don't think Dave is the man for the job, I'd prefer the other 'Dave' (Davis), but Camerons the man in the job. He must make a big issue of the nulab immigration revelations, it is the issue of the day. Then civil liberties, dismantling the snooping surveillence, nanny state should be a top priority. And then there's the state of the fcuking economy 8O

    There's enough there to bury, to destroy the Labour party for good. I'm just not all that sure that Daves the man for the job unfortunately.
     
  13. The Torygraph has a magnificently wounding headline UK economy overtaken by Italy
    Ah yes 1987, the year of the final Thatcher government, Jeffrey Archer in his pomp and many noses deep in their troughs.

    Il sorpasso economics sounds rather like the British model today:
     
  14. Labour's death warrant would be legislation limiting political donations to £50,000. That would effectively cut off the funding from the unions which would spell the end of the Labour party.

    It would also spell the end of the political careers of Gordon, Harriet Harman, Kieth Vaz and a host of other Arrse favourites who, as NEC members, would become personally liable for Labour's debt if the party went under. With no prospect of coming up with millions of pounds each, they'd become personally bankrupt and barred from sitting in Parliament.

    The next Tory government has a golden opportunity to destroy the Labour party, a cancer that has infected this country for a century, rather than just drive it from government for a generation. Like you, I doubt that Dave has the balls to drive the stake through their heart.
     
  15. I say again - 'Dave is well 'ard' but he does have an election to win - and win well. Those who take him for a 'Tory softee' will be roundly disabused in due course.

    Meanwhile, he has to box cleverly. He must take care not to provide Labour with sticks with which to beat him.