Wake Up Call for CMD & Fox

#2
Do you honestly think that Cameron, Fox, Osbourne and Alexander are going to take any notice whatsoever of this?
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#3
Do you honestly think that Cameron, Fox, Osbourne and Alexander are going to take any notice whatsoever of this?
In all honesty? No.

But, I think that they would be very foolish not to. The implied fall back is "if we can't do it then our Allies (for which read the US) will." To which I would reply - not if it's not in their immediate or long term interests they won't.

2015 could well be a re-run of 1982.
 
#4
In all honesty? No.

But, I think that they would be very foolish not to. The implied fall back is "if we can't do it then our Allies (for which read the US) will." To which I would reply - not if it's not in their immediate or long term interests they won't.

2015 could well be a re-run of 1982.
I've got to fully agree with you there. I think that its all going to end in tears in that we're going to end up having a military disaster. Perhaps then, and only then will something be done but, somehow I doubt it.
 
#5
I've got to fully agree with you there. I think that its all going to end in tears in that we're going to end up having a military disaster. Perhaps then, and only then will something be done but, somehow I doubt it.
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What Call me Dave and his Generals (and they are just as deeply mired!) rely on is the ability that the military have to do stuff with next to no resources and still somehow manage to pull the rabbit out of the hat.

We have a real aversion to saying no or to accepting failure when faced with a task, but are no longer in a WWII Battle of Britian scenario. Indeed to abuse Churchillian logic - the British military have done so much with so little for so long, that it seems they can actually do anything, with nothing, forever!!
 
#7
Do you honestly think that Cameron, Fox, Osbourne and Alexander are going to take any notice whatsoever of this?
Of course they will not. They will ask Cable the Clown what to do next. The Clown will say:

Cut more from the Defence budget;
Send more money to the corrupt African dictators;
Pay all benefits, at full rate, to all immigrants;
Give more money to the greedily corrupt European Soviet Union;
Raise taxes for all those on over £20,000 per annum;
Make the City of London work to rules written in Frankfurt, Singapore and New York;
Raise carbon taxes with immediate effect on all except immigrants;
Build wind-farms on all areas designated as 'Outstanding in Natural Beauty'.

(Further Limp/Dim rubbish to be promulgated following approval from the European Soviet Union).
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#8
Of course they will not. They will ask Cable the Clown what to do next. The Clown will say:

Cut more from the Defence budget;
Send more money to the corrupt African dictators;
Pay all benefits, at full rate, to all immigrants;
Give more money to the greedily corrupt European Soviet Union;
Raise taxes for all those on over £20,000 per annum;
Make the City of London work to rules written in Frankfurt, Singapore and New York;
Raise carbon taxes with immediate effect on all except immigrants;
Build wind-farms on all areas designated as 'Outstanding in Natural Beauty'.

(Further Limp/Dim rubbish to be promulgated following approval from the European Soviet Union).
Are you sponsored by Crayola?
 
#10
Of course they will not. They will ask Cable the Clown what to do next. The Clown will say:

Cut more from the Defence budget; - Much more I'd imagine.
Send more money to the corrupt African dictators; - Yes, probably.
Pay all benefits, at full rate, to all immigrants; - Pay all benefits at full rates to everyone entitled to them, yup.
Give more money to the greedily corrupt European Soviet Union; - Beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Raise taxes for all those on over £20,000 per annum; - Hmm. No, doubt it.
Make the City of London work to rules written in Frankfurt, Singapore and New York; - Nah.
Raise carbon taxes with immediate effect on all except immigrants; - On all (including immigrants) It would seem likely
Build wind-farms on all areas designated as 'Outstanding in Natural Beauty'. - Possible. Although we might still go "new nuclear"

(Further Limp/Dim rubbish to be promulgated following approval from the European Soviet Union). Further rubbish from all major parties, because the policies of any party that will form a government here in your lifetime are pretty much the same.
Have a nice day.
 
#11
This close enough for you?


btw, I agree that CMD et al are going to the square root of f-all about this. It will be "noted" and "filed" correctly. It will also come back and snap at the posterior of the government in power at about the 2018/2019 timescale.
Thought so, one presumes MPA is going to be shut down and dug up in 2015 then.
 
#12
Didn't Norway find itself in a similar position before World War 2? If I recall the story correctly, they cut their defence budget and called the Minister of Defence the 'Minister for Peace Promotion' or some such. I don't know if their version of the TA was meant to do most of the fighting, but it all made it easier for the Germans to invade.

The Norwegian resistance movement saved the country's reputation, but it shouldn't have gone that far.

Perhaps we are in some bizzare big science project where experiments are proved by endless repetition and the lessons to be learned are never implemented.
 
#13
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What Call me Dave and his Generals (and they are just as deeply mired!) rely on is the ability that the military have to do stuff with next to no resources and still somehow manage to pull the rabbit out of the hat.

We have a real aversion to saying no or to accepting failure when faced with a task, but are no longer in a WWII Battle of Britian scenario. Indeed to abuse Churchillian logic - the British military have done so much with so little for so long, that it seems they can actually do anything, with nothing, forever!!
That is too true.
 

OldSnowy

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#14
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What Call me Dave and his Generals (and they are just as deeply mired!) rely on is the ability that the military have to do stuff with next to no resources and still somehow manage to pull the rabbit out of the hat.

We have a real aversion to saying no or to accepting failure when faced with a task, but are no longer in a WWII Battle of Britian scenario. Indeed to abuse Churchillian logic - the British military have done so much with so little for so long, that it seems they can actually do anything, with nothing, forever!!
Done what, exactly? It's a sad truth, but we got our arrses kicked in Iraq, and we are well on the way to the same result in Helmand. Whatever spin you put on this, we have not 'won', which means, in effect, that we have lost. The Army sadly has very litttle credibility as an organisation within any area of Whitehall or Westminster, I'm afraid. Support soldiers, yes, that's a vote winner, but support the MOD/Army? No-one likes a loser.

A couple of other reality checks:
- underlying this is the fact that There Is No Money. Brown spent so much, nad borrowed so much more, that we cannot afford to spend more on defence.
- HCDC reports are routinely produced, and just as routinely ignored. Their report on the move to S Afghanistan, published a couple of weeks ago, was pretty hard-hitting, and made a few headlines then. It's been forgotten now, and the same will happen here.
We also
 
#15
I think that its all going to end in tears in that we're going to end up having a military disaster.
I think we have been lucky not to have had a disaster in Afghanistan or Iraq already, such as an isolated platoon being overrun and captured or wiped out. We are also very fortunate that the quality of the soldiers serving in these conditions are up to the challenge and don't make themselves easy targets. It is only a matter of time though. The opposition only has to be lucky once - we have to be lucky all the time.

It wouldn't take too many casualties to occur in one incident to spark off a major outcry in the media, with the subsequent witchhunt in Parliament.

If the Taliban (or any other future enemy) can pull off something like Warrenpoint then we shall see...

Rodney2q
 
#16
I think we have been lucky not to have had a disaster in Afghanistan or Iraq already, such as an isolated platoon being overrun and captured or wiped out. We are also very fortunate that the quality of the soldiers serving in these conditions are up to the challenge and don't make themselves easy targets. It is only a matter of time though. The opposition only has to be lucky once - we have to be lucky all the time.

It wouldn't take too many casualties to occur in one incident to spark off a major outcry in the media, with the subsequent witchhunt in Parliament.

If the Taliban (or any other future enemy) can pull off something like Warrenpoint then we shall see...

Rodney2q
I know nobody here is actually wishing for anything of that sort to happen.

But.. allowing for it, what would we see?

A mass movement of media and public to pressure the Government to spend big so the lads & lasses have the kit to do they jobs they're tasked with, or potentially could be tasked with or a similar movement to bring everyone home from to our wee islands and keep them there with sufficient kit to annoy farmers in Norfolk & Wales?
 
#17
CMD, Dr Fox etc see HMF as nothing more than a politically inert govt. dept that they can remove funding from as there will be no more 'wars'
It's not acceptable for the Notting Hillbillies and Guardian reading members of the govt. to allow wholesale destruction of rainforests in South America, but destruction of HMF is totally acceptable within their tiny minds.
Op Tosca, Foot & Mouth, Bin Strikes,Humanitarian aid delivery, who will do it when the private sector strikes or gives up?
 
#18
CMD, Dr Fox etc see HMF as nothing more than a politically inert govt. dept that they can remove funding from as there will be no more 'wars'
It's not acceptable for the Notting Hillbillies and Guardian reading members of the govt. to allow wholesale destruction of rainforests in South America, but destruction of HMF is totally acceptable within their tiny minds.
Op Tosca, Foot & Mouth, Bin Strikes,Humanitarian aid delivery, who will do it when the private sector strikes or gives up?
The Armed Forces. Those are the jobs they are being shaped and equipped for. Oh and "global power projection" AKA Nooks.
 
#19
Breaking News-

David Cameron responded to the criticism by putting his fingers in his ears and shouting la la la at the top of his voice.....
 
#20
It makes no sense to me to ringfence NHS spending and take an axe to defence.

And don't even get me started on DfID.
 

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