Wagner Watch - the Russian PMC

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Initial comprehensive info ===> Wagner Group - Wikipedia

The Wagner Group was founded by Dmitry Valerievich Utkin a former Russian Special Forces / GRU Lt Col., Utkin is a friend of Putin. Wagner has been active in several warzones around and about and is arguably used as a means of deniable military action, and intervention by the Putin regime - the little green men, when the Russian SF are not doing the actual job.

They have been active in various countries to act as Moscow's unofficial, and deniable military means of statesmanship, and diplomacy, including, but not limited to:

Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine
Syria
Sudan
Central African Republic
Madagascar
Libya
Venezuela
Mozambiqu
Mali


The ability of the personnel recruited and used by Wagner varies from ordinary ex-soldiers, to full on Spetsnaz. I have read reports previously (sorry no sources, a while ago) that older, unemployed soldiers simply went to work for Wagner as a means of earning an income. Apparently they did not realise that the job would involve potentially being shot at and as a result very quickly quit when the chance arose. On the other side of the coin setting a company of former Spetsnaz loose in an organised manner in Syria can be quite effective.

The present focus of Wagner seems to be well into Africa:

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This group has fascinated me since I first heard about them. What has fascinated me more is that the west is snoozing whilst the Chinese with its PLA secured mineral operations, and the Russians with Wagner are asserting their global strategy with no push back, or similarly enacted counter action.

Memo to me: Witold Pilecki - Wikipedia
 
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Wagner are such prolific providers of military "assistance" that they have their own specialist personnel carriers made up in Russia and ship them around to wherever they work. They are called "Wagner Wagons" by group watchers.

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This one is in use in the Central African Republic ....... where Moscow is taking advantage and cosying up to an ignored, and sidelined government.

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RBMK

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Are there separate compartments for black & white?
Or do blacks have to sit outside?
 
Are there separate compartments for black & white?
Or do blacks have to sit outside?

As you can see from the photo they are obviously all good, upstanding, woke mercenaries. Its clear that all the black troops are inside as the whites are sitting on the roof.
 
Wagner Group presidential security detail members in the Central African Republic.

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Wagner are such prolific providers of military "assistance" that they have their own specialist personnel carriers made up in Russia and ship them around to wherever they work. They are called "Wagner Wagons" by group watchers.

the UK is fully protected by London's ULEZ charges, at £12.50 a day the Russian won't be coming....
 
Wagner Group, Russias deniable, mercenary, PMC, para-militaries were allegedly involved in a mission to assassinate the President of Ukraine just after the start of the illegal Russian invasion of UKR.


Which again makes me wonder how good their alleged SAS/CAG equivalent, Alpha Group, actually is if they are relying on a pseudo civilian organisation to do their strategic level slotting.
 
Wagner Group, Russias deniable, mercenary, PMC, para-militaries were allegedly involved in a mission to assassinate the President of Ukraine just after the start of the illegal Russian invasion of UKR.


Which again makes me wonder how good their alleged SAS/CAG equivalent, Alpha Group, actually is if they are relying on a pseudo civilian organisation to do their strategic level slotting.
"Not very" appears to be the answer that you're looking for.
 
"Not very" appears to be the answer that you're looking for.

It was a semi-rheotorical question, I have seen a couple of videos of former members in action doing shooty drills. Lets face it they can only learn so much about training SF from reading McNabs books.
 

Goatman

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The Vehicles look like the old Saffer ' Buffels' anti mine protection,updated.

Good thread OP.

let's be quite clear: The U.S used Private Military Contractor (PMCs) widely in their operations in both Iraq 2003- 2013 and in Afghanistan 2006-2018. Indeed, we have a few Arrsers who have themselves worked with various such 'Force enablers'

QV Blackwater

Five Blackwater contractors were killed on January 23, 2007, in Iraq when their Hughes H-6 helicopter was shot down on Baghdad's Haifa Street. The crash site was secured by a personal security detail, callsign "Jester" from 1/26 Infantry, 1st Infantry Division. Three insurgents claimed to be responsible for shooting down the helicopter, although this has not been confirmed by the United States. A U.S. defense official has confirmed that four of the five killed were shot execution style in the back of the head, but did not know whether the four had survived the crash.[130][131]

In late May 2007, Blackwater contractors opened fire on the streets of Baghdad twice in two days, one of the incidents provoking a standoff between the security contractors and Iraqi Interior Ministry commandos, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials. The first incident occurred when a Blackwater-protected convoy was ambushed in downtown Baghdad. The following incident occurred when an Iraqi vehicle drove too close to a convoy. However, according to incident testimony, the Blackwater guards tried to wave off the driver, shouted, fired a warning shot into the car's radiator, finally shooting into the car's windshield.[103] On May 30, 2007, Blackwater employees shot an Iraqi civilian said to have been "driving too close" to a State Department convoy that was being escorted by Blackwater contractors.[132] Following the incident, the Iraqi government allowed Blackwater to provide security by operating within the streets of Iraq.[133]

Documents obtained from the Iraq War documents leak of 2010 argue that Blackwater employees committed serious abuses in Iraq, including killing civilians.
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I post this background just to be clear that the pro-Soviet fanbois will undoubtedly shout that

' The West is just as guilty '

Short Answer: Yes, probably - but we acknowledged it.
Long Answer: Yes. But the Western liberal democracies have at least some recourse to law....PMCs in the West understand that they do not have free licence to operate anywhere in the world without some kind of scrutiny, and possibly even legal sanction.

I doubt whether anyone working for the Wagner Group - i.e DIRECTLY for the Russian FSB - will ever face a court of law in Russia. Though International Criminal Court at The Hague is always a possibility, however remote.
 
They should have seen this as the wave of their future:

From the article posted by @paddyplanty above

As many as 600 hundred Wagnerians died fighting in Syria alone. In early 2018 Wagner fighters — who, paid about £2,000 a month, are mostly former Russian regulars — attacked an outpost manned by US special forces and their allies at a Conoco gas plant in Syria’s Deir Ezzor Province: embarrassingly, the Wagner company suffered 200 casualties. Yevgeny “The Chef” Prigozhin is unlikely to inform potential clients that his crack force is not all it’s cracked up to be.

Other reports put the number of dead approaching 100, and the number of injured at around 200. It should have been a big clue as to what would happen to them if they attacked a well trained force rather than some rag tags from Somewheristan.

They were also running security ops in Mozambique when ISIS attacked, the result was that the Wangers (see what I did there) ran away.

Wagner in Mozambique ===> Putin’s mercenaries FLED Mozambique leaving ISIS to launch beheading blitz
 
Yeah but they can throw axes and run through burning hoops on an assault course.
Once those police dogs master axe throwing they'll be on the doleski.
 
Yeah but they can throw axes and run through burning hoops on an assault course.
Once those police dogs master axe throwing they'll be on the doleski.

Its the flying karate kicks, and karate chopping a burning breeze block that impresses me.
 
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