WADA secretly allowed some American athletes to use doping

#1
Russian hackers leak Simone Biles and Serena Williams files - BBC News
The World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has condemned Russian hackers for leaking confidential medical files of US Olympic athletes.

Athletes affected include tennis players Venus and Serena Williams and teenage gymnast Simone Biles.
Wada said in a statement that the cyber attacks were an attempt to undermine the global anti-doping system.
But why WADA officials are so furious?
The hackers accessed records detailing "Therapeutic Use Exemptions" (TUEs), which allow the use of banned substances due to athletes' verified medical needs.
So some (note!) American were secretly given right to use doping while some doping free athletes were not allowed to participate in Olympic games.
If you need doping for 'health' reasons, if you are ill then participate in paralympic games. It would be fair.
Simone Biles, who won four gold medals in Rio, had obtained the necessary permission to take prescription medicine on the Wada banned drugs list, USA Gymnastics said in a statement.
But other athletes were not allowed to use the same drugs. If ms.Biles so badly needs these drugs then just participate in paralympic games - games for ill people, for invalids.
 
#2
Umm. INT CELL.

Russians caught cheating in a massive STATE SPONSORED doping scandal.
US Athletes using drugs for specific medical conditions, there's a difference you idiot.

Sour grapes.
 
#3
Russian hackers leak Simone Biles and Serena Williams files - BBC News


But why WADA officials are so furious?

So some (note!) American were secretly given right to use doping while some doping free athletes were not allowed to participate in Olympic games.
If you need doping for 'health' reasons, if you are ill then participate in paralympic games. It would be fair.

But other athletes were not allowed to use the same drugs. If ms.Biles so badly needs these drugs then just participate in paralympic games - games for ill people, for invalids.
Did you intentionally leave out which drugs and medical uses are being referred to? Seems pretty crucial to any assessment of the information that you did choose to include.
 

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#4
Russian hackers leak Simone Biles and Serena Williams files - BBC News


But why WADA officials are so furious?

So some (note!) American were secretly given right to use doping while some doping free athletes were not allowed to participate in Olympic games.
If you need doping for 'health' reasons, if you are ill then participate in paralympic games. It would be fair.

But other athletes were not allowed to use the same drugs. If ms.Biles so badly needs these drugs then just participate in paralympic games - games for ill people, for invalids.
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#6
Did you intentionally leave out which drugs and medical uses are being referred to? Seems pretty crucial to any assessment of the information that you did choose to include.
As you may see BBC article doesn't contain any details.
Let's look at RT
WADA outraged after hacktivists expose Williams sisters’ use of banned substances
The documents the group says it hacked from WADA’s Anti-Doping Administration and Management System (ADAMS) database contain information that Serena Williams, one of the world’s greatest ever tennis players, was taking a number of banned substances.
Williams was allowed to take oxycodone, hydromorphone, prednisone and methylprednisolone in 2010, 2014 and 2015, despite the substances being placed on WADA’s list of banned substances.
However, the documents released also showed that Williams had been given special permission to take some of the drugs. The authorization was given by Dr. Stuart Miller from the International Tennis Federation (ITF).
So mr.Miller secretly issued permission to use a lot of different drugs. And nobody (except Americans) were aware about it for years.
It is not fair play.
 
#7
OXICODONE
Oxycodone Uses, Dosage & Side Effects - Drugs.com
Oxycodone is an opioid pain medication. An opioid is sometimes called a narcotic.

Oxycodone is used to treat moderate to severe pain.

Oxycodone extended-release is used for around-the-clock treatment of pain. This form of oxycodone is not for use on an as-needed basis for pain.
HYDROMORPHONE
Hydromorphone (oral) medical facts from Drugs.com
Hydromorphone is an opioid pain medication. An opioid is sometimes called a narcotic.

Hydromorphone is used to treat moderate to severe pain.
But why American athletes were allowed to use narcotics for years?
 
#9
TUEs are exactly what they sound like, exemptions to enable athletes to take medicines, man up and carry on when they have an illness that doesn't otherwise stop them competing. I'm not sure the Paralympics has categories for hayfever or diarrhoea.

Edit to add: not just Americans - good bit of reporting bias
 
#10
Come on, Sergey - this'll play well in Russia as part of Putin's propaganda, but the rest of the world, bar lickspittles, useful idiots, the terminally thick and apologists (not that sort, RGJ, stand down...) will see right through what's a p*ss-poor effort by the work experience boy at FSB Info Ops Central.

Thereputic Use Exemption simply means that some medicines which doctors prescribe contain substances which are banned because as well as curing illness they can be used to enhance performance, particularly if used over an extended period of time. Because athletes can be tested while taking the prescribed medicines and would thus fail the test because of the presence of a banned substance, WADA (and associated agencies before them) quite logically issued/issue TUE which means that the athlete is not subjected to the strict liability rule (if a banned substance is in their system, its their fault) in this instance because a doctor has authorised the use to deal with a particular condition. The 'secrecy' is nothing more than confidentiality - so that an athlete doesn't get pursued by the press asking about their medical condition; it is a step removed from Doctor-Patient confidentiality, since a third party - the sporting federation concerned - and sometimes a fourth party -WADA - also knows about the condition.

This is vastly different from state-sponsored fiddling of doping tests, or instances of doctors prescribing medicines containing performance enhancing substances for far longer than required for conditions the recipient doesn't have.

And the worst thing is that you know it and are coming on here insulting the intelligence of at least 99% of the users with this pathetic propaganda which'd shame a 6 year old with its crass stupidity.
 
#11
PREDNISONE
Prednisone Uses, Dosage, Side Effects, Warnings - Drugs.com
Prednisone is a corticosteroid. It prevents the release of substances in the body that cause inflammation. It also suppresses the immune system.
Prednisone treats many different conditions such as allergic disorders, skin conditions, ulcerative colitis, arthritis, lupus, psoriasis, or breathing disorders.
Steroid medication can weaken your immune system, making it easier for you to get an infection. Avoid being near people who are sick or have infections. Do not receive a "live" vaccine while using prednisone.
So Steroid medication that can weaken immune system was allowed for some American athletes. But why?
METHYLPREDNISOLONE
Methylprednisolone Uses, Dosage, Side Effects - Drugs.com
Methylprednisolone is a steroid that prevents the release of substances in the body that cause inflammation.
 
#12
Come on, Sergey - this'll play well in Russia as part of Putin's propaganda, but the rest of the world, bar lickspittles, useful idiots, the terminally thick and apologists (not that sort, RGJ, stand down...) will see right through what's a p*ss-poor effort by the work experience boy at FSB Info Ops Central.

Thereputic Use Exemption simply means that some medicines which doctors prescribe contain substances which are banned because as well as curing illness they can be used to enhance performance, particularly if used over an extended period of time. Because athletes can be tested while taking the prescribed medicines and would thus fail the test because of the presence of a banned substance, WADA (and associated agencies before them) quite logically issued/issue TUE which means that the athlete is not subjected to the strict liability rule (if a banned substance is in their system, its their fault) in this instance because a doctor has authorised the use to deal with a particular condition. The 'secrecy' is nothing more than confidentiality - so that an athlete doesn't get pursued by the press asking about their medical condition; it is a step removed from Doctor-Patient confidentiality, since a third party - the sporting federation concerned - and sometimes a fourth party -WADA - also knows about the condition.

This is vastly different from state-sponsored fiddling of doping tests, or instances of doctors prescribing medicines containing performance enhancing substances for far longer than required for conditions the recipient doesn't have.

And the worst thing is that you know it and are coming on here insulting the intelligence of at least 99% of the users with this pathetic propaganda which'd shame a 6 year old with its crass stupidity.
So if Russian doctor secretly allows Russian athletes to use opioids, narcotics, steroids then there would be no problem from your point of view?
 
#14
Russian hackers leak Simone Biles and Serena Williams files - BBC News

But why WADA officials are so furious?

So some (note!) American were secretly given right to use doping while some doping free athletes were not allowed to participate in Olympic games.
If you need doping for 'health' reasons, if you are ill then participate in paralympic games. It would be fair.

But other athletes were not allowed to use the same drugs. If ms.Biles so badly needs these drugs then just participate in paralympic games - games for ill people, for invalids.
A complete inability to differentiate between a state sponsored doping programme and a Therapitic Use Exemptiin. My, you (and RT aka Pravda), really are clutching at straws :rolleyes:
 
#15
Are we going to be treated to Russia Today's Dictionary of Prescribed Medicines for the next several hours in this asinine attempt to spread propaganda which my 5 year old could see through?

Thereputic Use Exemptions for drugs on the banned list are legitimate. The clue is in 'Thereputic Use' - i.e. to treat a condition.

Some Russian athlete and their doctors - supported by Russian doping agency officials and sporting federation doctors - attempted to pass off the condition of 'Cannot win without cheating' as something which required the prescription and consumption (for longer than the recommended period of prescription for the medication involved), and were caught out.

So if Russian doctor secretly allows Russian athletes to use opiates, narcotics, steroids then there would be no problem from your point of view?
You're using the word 'secret' in an entirely inappropriate manner - as you are fully aware. Those in receipt of TUEs are not involved in 'secrecy' for the very good reason that WADA and the athlete's sporting federation know about it.

It is 'secret' only in the sense that the man and woman on the Clapham/Washington/Omsk Omnibus do not know about it.

The Russian programme, on the other hand was deliberate subterfuge, kept secret in a bid to cheat.

If a Russian athlete is ill and a doctor from, say, Switzerland, or Sweden or somewhere diagnose the condition, prescribes medication containing a banned substance and the appropriate process is followed (as it was in the cases you cite for Serena Williams, for instance) then yes, that's fine.

But a Russian doctor? Sorry, but they can't be trusted because it is now impossible to be certain whether their prescription is for genuine illness or part of a deliberate Russian programme across a range of sports to cheat their way to success.

You're attempting to suggest that day is night. Just stop wasting our time with this crap and play somewhere more gullible, eh?
 
#16
WADA outraged after hacktivists expose Williams sisters’ use of banned substances
Serena’s older sister Venus was found to have taken prednisone, prednisolone, triamcinolone and formoterol, which are also on WADA’s banned list.
Meanwhile, American gymnast Simone Biles tested positive for methylphenidate after giving a urine sample. However, like the Williams sisters, she was given special dispensation to take the drug.
Methylphenidate: Uses, Dosage, Side Effects - Drugs.com
Methylphenidate is a central nervous system stimulant. It affects chemicals in the brain and nerves that contribute to hyperactivity and impulse control.
So Simone Biles was allowed (secretly allowed) to use banned stimulants.
 
#17
Oh joy the propaganda warehouse is in full swing again.
 
#18
No she wasn't - because the authorities in gymnastics knew and then WADA knew and it was neither secret or in breach of the rules because an exemption was applied.

Russia sought to keep secret the fact that athletes were using banned substances on an almost industrial scale. Even worse for your argument, tests which might have been subject to TUE were faked (substitution of clean samples, for instance) in a ridiculous bid to pretend that Russian athletes never take medication which contain banned substances - even though the rules lay down circumstances when it is entirely legitimate for an athlete's A and B samples to contain a banned substance because the substance is there as the result of legitimate medical advice.
 
#19
A complete inability to differentiate between a state sponsored doping programme and a Therapitic Use Exemptiin. My, you (and RT aka Pravda), really are clutching at straws :rolleyes:
So these evil Russians used doping unlawfully (that is of course true).
By contrast Americans allowed themselves secretly to use opioids, narcotics, steroids, stimulats absolutely lawfully.
 
#20
So these evil Russians used doping unlawfully (that is of course true).
By contrast Americans allowed themselves secretly to use opioids, narcotics, steroids, stimulats absolutely lawfully.
Ah, good, now you're almost getting it:

Russian use was illegal because it didn't meet the rules and regulations

American use was legitimate because the athletes went through the correct processes and procedures.

Remove the word 'secretly' - since it ain't cutting it in a bid to suggest wrong-doing or something sinister, no matter how many times you repeat it - and you'll be on the mark...

The way things are going with the propaganda, I reckon it could be years and years before WADA is prepared to trust any Russian sportsperson or sporting federation...
 

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