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Voter ID pilot Schemes

"presumed guilt" guilty of what? anyone who needs to check my ID is not accusing me of any thing
Guilty of not saying who you are and why you live here for starters, as for checking your ID the only Legal Requirement is from a Police Officer so a civil servant in polling station has no need to see my ID as it is 'presumed' that I am not voting fraudulently.
 
Slightly off topic but had my postal vote through and once again everything bar the actual vote envelope and ballot has a second version in fecking bengali. How is that even legal? Given Tower Hamlets as not only the huge legacy population of banglas but a relatively recent useless (I believe that's the correct collective term) of somalians and now large numbers of chinese, russians and eu sorts with a few quid living on the Isle and Wapping etc surely this opens up legal challenges if the one group that has been here the longest and are majority at least 2nd generation are considered to need handholding in their native scrawl but every other group us expected to speak the Queens. Not to mention the cost of printing every leaflet twice.
 
I have no particular problem with requiring ID at pollimg stations; however it does seem to me that postal voting is the one that’s vulnerable to fraud.
To which the only logical conclusion is to end postal voting.

The political answer from the government in power is of course disenfranchise those who might vote for the other lot.

I don't have a photocard driving licence or a current passport. I probably won't vote, because an MOD90, a warrant card or a firearm certificate won't be recognised by the morons at the polling station.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Democracy is finished in the UK and we are slowly transitioning into a proto fascist corporate state.
 
The percentage of voter fraud is low and in the main they are usually caught using current safeguards so further safeguards are not required as the current ones are shown to work, as for your drunk driver whataboutery drink driving victims far outway the number of fraudulent voters.......
You're correct in that possessing a piece of paper with a name on it doesn't guarantee that it is who you are but in general ,as MY voting card was registered by ME with my local authority and is delivered to MY address and I am standing in the Polling Station with it I think it's 99.9% true that it says on it who I am.For the majority of voters I would say it's the same too ,so again why do I need secondary ID.
You are honest, ID cards would sort out the dishonest
 
Ok, a more interesting question on ID.

Towards the end of the last labour government they tried to introduce ID cards. I remember quite a lot of people kicked up a fuss about it. But now several posters (who to be fair, may have been in favour first time) have suggested something similar.

What's the difference?
 
If only there were some way of placing the vote in a suitable container and having it delivered to the returning officer by way of a national provider of such services, thereby precluding the requirement to identify oneself in person.
What a brilliant idea. And it has the added advantage of being able to be stuffed with postal votes you happen to have handy if you are standing in Tower Hamlets, Republican leaning bits of Belfast or Londonderry or you are the Home Secretary and you have lost your seat by a few hundred votes.

I wonder why no one has come up with it before...
 
...I don't have a photocard driving licence or a current passport. I probably won't vote, because an MOD90, a warrant card or a firearm certificate won't be recognised by the morons at the polling station...
"morons" for correctly applying the law as it stands?
 
The powers that be can get into
1] all your banking details
2] medical records
3]shopping habits
4] everything you do on line
5] monitor all your phone calls
6]where you eat or drink out
7] where you work
8]how much money you make
If they have a mind to the security services can find everything about you, freedom you say,
that went a long time ago, if indeed there is such a thing as freedom in the first place,

.....and with this perceived freedom came Responsibilities in order to maintain civilised society , but in his obvious drug induced paranoia, THR likes to totally ignore this aspect of it all..
 
Forgive me but:

The percentage of voter fraud is low and in the main they are usually caught using current safeguards so further safeguards are not required as the current ones are shown to work..
Bullcrap! How the hell would you know?

as for your drunk driver whataboutery drink driving victims far outway the number of fraudulent voters.......
Complete nonsense: There is no way you could possibly know that. I think you don't know what 'whataboutery' is. It is not that. Anyway, the DUI comparison is an almost ideal analog of your idea.

You're correct in that possessing a piece of paper with a name on it doesn't guarantee that it is who you are but in general ,as MY voting card was registered by ME with my local authority and is delivered to MY address and I am standing in the Polling Station with it I think it's 99.9% true that it says on it who I am.For the majority of voters I would say it's the same too ,so again why do I need secondary ID.
99.9%? Rubbish! I don't believe it is as hard as you think it is to obtain a voting card in a fraudulent name at a legitimate address. Stealing a genuine voting card, either by stealth, threat or persuasion is probably also not too difficult if the real owner is careless, weak or disinterested. In fact I reckon that producing your own (In possibly significant quantities) would not be too difficult if you tackled it in an organised way. Although it's not like there are any dubious political movements in the UK that would ever dream of such nefarious deeds, is it?
 
So what you are agreeing to is the premise that you aren't a UK citizen until you prove you are, an entitlement to benefits doesn't require proof of UK residency as it is presumed by the fact that you will have a birth certificate driving licence and NI number. It is not for majority to prove who they are but for the State to disprove. That is the basis of UK Society and its acceptance of rule by consent.Would you prefer Total State control, in which case you will not be allowed on sites such as this the media will be state controlled and the internet severely restricted. If thats being a 'Snowflake' then I'm ready for the blizzard.
How much actual abuse is there of the UK NHS system ,do you actually know, because I don't but apart from the stories placed in the media how do we really know about anything and that's with current civil liberties.......
What we're on about is combating voter fraud. If the left are jumping up & down in protest, then that is a good reason to introduce ID checks when voting. Simply because the left are the main offenders.
It will affect all voters regardless of their voting intention, so a level playing field.
 
Guilty of not saying who you are and why you live here for starters, as for checking your ID the only Legal Requirement is from a Police Officer so a civil servant in polling station has no need to see my ID as it is 'presumed' that I am not voting fraudulently.
You may not, but many do. Surely it's not that difficult to understand?
 
It's nothing to do with Tory policy it's to do with reducing civil liberties as a reaction to a perceived problem which isn't in reality a problem but it serves to distract you from the more serious problems around. It is quite pernicious of a Govt using reduced freedoms especially as they are usually attributed to a Socialist State but you seem quite oblivious to the results of these Policies did you miss the Windrush problems caused by the same reduction in freedoms.
Would you be happy to show ID and be searched when leaving the Supermarket, when was the last time you were required to prove your citizenship to access your local Library,School or Hospital, are you happy to see your hard fought for civil liberties removed piece by piece if so then hey crack on but I for one are seriously worried about the direction of the current Govt in this regard.
To get my library card I had to register and produce evidence of address. And in hospital you are supposed to give your NHS number, although i have never been asked for it. Hubby was at a recent Consultant appointment though.

I have no problem with producing id to vote if it prevents fraud. I did have a problem with the European Identity Project and the amount of data Brussels needed on those cards.
 
Ok, a more interesting question on ID.

Towards the end of the last labour government they tried to introduce ID cards. I remember quite a lot of people kicked up a fuss about it. But now several posters (who to be fair, may have been in favour first time) have suggested something similar.

What's the difference?
That was part of the European identity project, and involved holding not only your mother's maiden name, inside leg measurement and shaving frequency but last three addresses and other totally useless data in case it came in handy later.

BT and the usual corporate IT scumbags who mess up Government contracts had already spent millions of our money meeting their counterparts across Europe to define data requirements when it was binned by the UK.
 

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