Voter ID pilot Schemes

The powers that be can get into
1] all your banking details
2] medical records
3]shopping habits
4] everything you do on line
5] monitor all your phone calls
6]where you eat or drink out
7] where you work
8]how much money you make
If they have a mind to the security services can find everything about you, freedom you say,
that went a long time ago, if indeed there is such a thing as freedom in the first place,
Not without significant hoops to jump through.
Medical records require your consent.
 
Ah "Access to medical records act 1988." Used a lot in my old job and stopped a lot of fraud and bad claims.
Every day is a school day!
Med consent is just another hoop in my job.
 
Seriously? Producing ID is "reducing your civil liberties", what a snowflake.
Long long overdue to provide the ability to identify your entitlement to the benefits of being a British Citizen. For example using libraries and hospitals. There is far too much abuse of the UKs medical facilities by non entitled people to the detriment of those who are actually paying for it.
So what you are agreeing to is the premise that you aren't a UK citizen until you prove you are, an entitlement to benefits doesn't require proof of UK residency as it is presumed by the fact that you will have a birth certificate driving licence and NI number. It is not for majority to prove who they are but for the State to disprove. That is the basis of UK Society and its acceptance of rule by consent.Would you prefer Total State control, in which case you will not be allowed on sites such as this the media will be state controlled and the internet severely restricted. If thats being a 'Snowflake' then I'm ready for the blizzard.
How much actual abuse is there of the UK NHS system ,do you actually know, because I don't but apart from the stories placed in the media how do we really know about anything and that's with current civil liberties.......
 
Every day is a school day!
Med consent is just another hoop in my job.
It however does not give you full access, the GP can leave things off a report if it will cause upset, distress etc or not thought relevant. Most will just give you a printout with everything on as they don't want to be stung at a claim if something come forward we needed.
 
So what you are agreeing to is the premise that you aren't a UK citizen until you prove you are, an entitlement to benefits doesn't require proof of UK residency as it is presumed by the fact that you will have a birth certificate driving licence and NI number. It is not for majority to prove who they are but for the State to disprove..
Since many of our EU neighbours require you to carry ID why is it not reasonable that you should do so in UK? It is not for the state to disprove it as that would be impossible, you cannot disprove something without evidence. So produce the evidence that you have an 'entitlement'.
 
It however does not give you full access, the GP can leave things off a report if it will cause upset, distress etc or not thought relevant. Most will just give you a printout with everything on as they don't want to be stung at a claim if something come forward we needed.
Is consent implied as a condition of applying for a job or the insurance policy?
 
Been doing quite a bit of work in Noggieland for the past 3 months and I was made aware of the company I was consulting for (actually the Cloggie government) that it was compulsory to carry ID at all times (I don't have an EU ID card).
So we voted to leave the EU and get back our Soveriengty but you want to adopt an EU standard for citizenship that has been so for well over 50 years.
 
In Northern Ireland (part of the UK) you need to show driving licence, passport etc to get your ballot paper. The only people to complain at the start was ........PSF and Gerry Adams. Has cut down on some issues but some of them still do the postal fraud.

Need ID to collect a letter so what is the issue with showing ID to vote.
 
Surely you already have ID in that you have to register to vote and so appear on the electoral roll you are then sent a Polling Card enabling you to be given a Voting Slip.Why should I have to prove anything further, after all the cornerstone of British law is a presumption of innocence, to change this means that there is a presumption that you are guilty and it's up to you to prove otherwise which could prove very difficult not to mention expensive and undermines the freedoms we currently enjoy. Think on next time you require a Doctor and have to show a form of ID for treatment, or when you book your child into a new school and you require a passport to do so, it would require ALL citizens to prove they are UK citizens whenever interacting with the State. This is exactly what lots on here accuse a Socialist regime would do so why would you condone a Conservative regime doing it, the whole voter fraud allegation is yet another answer looking for a problem.
Ah, the typical lefty response - an army of straw men.

Weak.
 
So what you are agreeing to is the premise that you aren't a UK citizen until you prove you are, an entitlement to benefits doesn't require proof of UK residency as it is presumed by the fact that you will have a birth certificate driving licence and NI number.
It is something of a faff carrying all those pieces of evidence around. If only a system could be construed whereby a small credit card sized piece of material could be made that brings together these pertinent details in one easy to produce format...
 
So we voted to leave the EU and get back our Soveriengty but you want to adopt an EU standard for citizenship that has been so for well over 50 years.
It would be useful when responding if you read what I actually wrote as opposed to assuming.
 
I couldn't agree more. I think that in the UK we are a little 'up our own arses' about ID.
Theresa May is well and truly hoist on her own petard with this one; she was the Home Secretary who scrapped the ID card programme. If she had called them Passport Cards and charged £30, everyone would have signed up for one. Also, she could have made presentation of secure photographic ID i.e. Passport, Driving Licence or Passport Card the only easy way to access public services.
 
It's nothing to do with Tory policy it's to do with reducing civil liberties as a reaction to a perceived problem which isn't in reality a problem
You say it’s not a problem, Tower Hamlets says it is.

Why would anyone need to check, 99% of people tend to not l
1% is enough to change the outcome of an election.
 
You say it’s not a problem, Tower Hamlets says it is.


1% is enough to change the outcome of an election.
So in order to safeguard the attempts ,most of which have been taken to court ,we have to give up hard won freedoms gained over hundreds of years.......how very Trotskyist
1% is only enough because we have become so apathetic with Politicians that all look and sound the same that turnout is usually around 30%, getting involved and standing up to this would get turnouts up again or would you rather just carry on as we are?
 
Oh dear, you sound like a Trump voter....
And there lays the problem. Anyone who expresses a genuine concern about the state of this nation, is immediately branded racist or at least unpleasant.

I'm a Paramedic, and the views I've put in this thread, could get me struck off. So, where do the vast majority of people have this debate in an open way that will not result in some sort of PC driven punitive measures?

This is about the future of this country, and what sort of place it's going to become. Thanks to the open door policies of Blairs government, we are fast descending into a third world cess pit similar to that our recent immigrant citizens have seemed so keen to escape from. We haven't only been forced to adopt the people, we've also been forced to accept their cultures, traditions and languages, which in some sort of perverse way of thinking, has now become the British norm.

So, how does one exercise their democratic right of free speech. Fooked if I know, because as soon as you do, you'll be branded a trump voter.
 
While I'm not a fan of ID cards, I really struggle with the logic that someone my skin colour impacts my ability to have and produce existing ID. I also note the article says regarding ID: "or might be reluctant to produce them at polling stations "

Why would someone be reluctant to identify themself - you have to (very informally) confirm your identity to get your ballot paper anyway, and likewise you have to confirm details on the electoral roll.
i wonder if the very same people are 'reluctant' to drive a car, go on holiday or collect a parcel! theres f all racist about showing an id - unless you are someone intending to vote illegally or to force someone eg your wife to vote the way the husband wants
 
So in order to safeguard the attempts ,most of which have been taken to court ,we have to give up hard won freedoms gained over hundreds of years.......how very Trotskyist
1% is only enough because we have become so apathetic with Politicians that all look and sound the same that turnout is usually around 30%, getting involved and standing up to this would get turnouts up again or would you rather just carry on as we are?
How is “not having to show someone your driving licence when you turn up to vote” a hard won freedom? Did you have to throw yourself in front of a horse at some point to protest this very specific point? You already have to STATE who you are in order to vote, I’m struggling to see what’s so much worse about proving it.

Actually, Walcot seems to be chav central and has been for the last few years.
Yes, because it borders Park. There’s bound to be some spreading.
 
And there lays the problem. Anyone who expresses a genuine concern about the state of this nation, is immediately branded racist or at least unpleasant.

I'm a Paramedic, and the views I've put in this thread, could get me struck off. So, where do the vast majority of people have this debate in an open way that will not result in some sort of PC driven punitive measures?

This is about the future of this country, and what sort of place it's going to become. Thanks to the open door policies of Blairs government, we are fast descending into a third world cess pit similar to that our recent immigrant citizens have seemed so keen to escape from. We haven't only been forced to adopt the people, we've also been forced to accept their cultures, traditions and languages, which in some sort of perverse way of thinking, has now become the British norm.

So, how does one exercise their democratic right of free speech. Fooked if I know, because as soon as you do, you'll be branded a trump voter.
Well I am an American who voted for Trump. Just pointing out the irony of said similar situation.
 

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