Voluntary tax

I would most certainly not choose to contribute into the Treasury coffers. I've watched for 52 working years diabolical mis=spending, equally I've gained a % from good dental & rarely medical care. Not forgetting Child Allowance as it was 30 years back. I'm not blind to the upsides by a long chalk.
However, if an accountable, checkable, and zero-waste local authority fund mechanism was in place, where annual accounts were delivered to the post-coded public domain say every new fiscal year, I think I would to provide better funded public service delivery. But, as I say, it'd need to be something I could check at will was being administered as designed. For the record, I do mean straight to Local Authority managed by an all party committee and nothing to do with either Westmunster or worse still..... Holyrood. working a non-fee Pro Bono...but I'd not object to closely scrutinised & transparent out of pocket expenses. I'd pop a tenner a month at that. With an opt out if I was not satisfied.
 
This is something i have pondered for a while now and thought that those with a better understanding might find interesting and worthy of discussion.

Would a extra voluntary tax work and help ? I.e , an option to pay an extra say £10-20 a month per person with the spending being divided up between Police , Nhs , Military etc.

Would people take part ? Would it mean more money being squandered ? Would it actually help ?
Do I want to voluntarily pay more tax?


Let me think....


Ermmmmmm....


Still thinking.....


Hmmmm....


Up your pipe
 
The cynic in me thinks that any organisation receiving such a voluntary tax would be the first to be visited for savings/reduction when allocation of funding from the normal tax pot.
I’d agree that it’s a double edged sword:

If the ‘people’ voluntarily choose to fund an area, then the government don’t need to pay for that.
If a sector is perceived as underfunded then politicians will move to get more funding if they see political points in it, if it’s getting funded from elsewhere then they don’t need to direct the limited pot into the same place.

Then theres the voluntary element, you can’t plan on voluntary donations so can just spend what you have. If you invest today you may not be able to maintain it tomorrow
 
Unless you’re making the same point .... Road Fund Licence fees aren’t directed to the roads, they go into the tax pot and road / infrastructure funding comes out of the tax pot.


Exactly. A road tax that is used for many things other than its title suggests.
 

jrwlynch

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This is something i have pondered for a while now and thought that those with a better understanding might find interesting and worthy of discussion.

Would a extra voluntary tax work and help ? I.e , an option to pay an extra say £10-20 a month per person with the spending being divided up between Police , Nhs , Military etc.

Would people take part ? Would it mean more money being squandered ? Would it actually help ?
As Tim Worstall of the Adam Smith Institute wrote a few years ago:-

"We should never try to divine what people really want from what they say: we should instead look at what they do. And we do have a method of being able to pay extra tax: simply send the cheque to 'The Accountant, 2 Horse Guards Road, London SW1' and they're absolutely delighted to apply it to whatever area of public spending you wish to inform them you favour. Admittedly it's a few years since I looked into this but in that year an entire 5 people had actually done so and four of them were dead, leaving bequests.

So revealed preferences tells us that exactly
one live person was actually willing to pay higher taxes for any reason at all, not just for the NHS."

Edited - turns out @Just_plain_you beat me to it remembering Tim's point...
 
All HMRC has to do is 'accidentally' charge someone say 40k more than they actually earned in a year, threaten to have their house repossessed if they don't pay up. Spend months going through this as the DS solution is to pay up first then we can look into it.
When asked where the figure comes from, the answer is 'computer says you owe it from your self assessment (which went from self assessment says you owe nothing, to £600, to £900, then into the thousands), so you have to pay or get more fines for late payment'

Once HMRC own every self employed persons house then can screw us over even more.
Erm, they can’t threaten to take you’re house, they can threaten bailiff action. And no they cannot accidentally on purpose charge anyone 40k more. They can make a mistake and they can rectify that mistake. That little trick comes from a certain bank who make dodgy contracts and then lie in court but won’t be prosecuted because it’s not in the public interest. An assessment is just that. It isn’t a bill. Mind I’m no great fan of the “revenue“ either, but if you have a gripe, prove them wrong then take it up with your MP. That tends to be more effective than the usual panto.
 
Erm, they can’t threaten to take you’re house, they can threaten bailiff action. And no they cannot accidentally on purpose charge anyone 40k more. They can make a mistake and they can rectify that mistake. That little trick comes from a certain bank who make dodgy contracts and then lie in court but won’t be prosecuted because it’s not in the public interest. An assessment is just that. It isn’t a bill. Mind I’m no great fan of the “revenue“ either, but if you have a gripe, prove them wrong then take it up with your MP. That tends to be more effective than the usual panto.

not my experience , they demanded that I pay up (more than I earned) in order to prevent the baliffs "taking your house"

just cos they are not supposed to say that doesn't mean it doesn't go on. They refused to look at the issue until I had paid.

it was only sorted out when a new guy who was working solo for the first time looked at it properly.
then it turned out they owed me money. I really do wish I'd remembered to write down his name as he was the first, and only person there to be helpful.
 
This is something i have pondered for a while now and thought that those with a better understanding might find interesting and worthy of discussion.

Would a extra voluntary tax work and help ? I.e , an option to pay an extra say £10-20 a month per person with the spending being divided up between Police , Nhs , Military etc.

Would people take part ? Would it mean more money being squandered ? Would it actually help ?
I thought we already had a voluntary tax, VAT. I choose to spend more of my hard earned cash on things, I pay more tax.
 
Years ago, some news organisation (i think the BBC) did a short report on people paying extra tax. About half a dozen people a year do it. (Clearly all those rich socialists were too busy).they didnt have a choice what it was spent on.
Also a few years ago some council had a referendum on paying more local tax to fund services (the old bill I think) funnily enough, that fell on its arse.

Edited to add link to people not wanting to pay more

Indeed

About 200 Tax gifts have been made to the government 2000-2017, ranging from as little as 4p to as much as £600,000. During the 17-year period, the donations was a total of £8.3m

Revealed preferences demolish expressed preference for more tax
 
not my experience , they demanded that I pay up (more than I earned) in order to prevent the baliffs "taking your house"

just cos they are not supposed to say that doesn't mean it doesn't go on. They refused to look at the issue until I had paid.

it was only sorted out when a new guy who was working solo for the first time looked at it properly.
then it turned out they owed me money. I really do wish I'd remembered to write down his name as he was the first, and only person there to be helpful.
New to me. Many moons ago I worked in Collectors office dealing with Bailiffs fees in relation to VAT. Regs then as I recall was firstly to attempt get payment fees. Last resort was if a person was found to be insolvent they could apply for a winding up order. But that was VAT not Income tax. Something in the grey cells was that Bailiffs could not distrain “bare essentials“
 

ugly

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Why would it have to go to doleys ? I am talking about a specific tax to go to the Police , Nhs and maybe the military . A contribution that goes to where you want . Would that not be feasible ?
I’m no fan of tax in particular and less so in paying more voluntarily
 
I know many would not want to pay it or could not afford to but if say in my small town of 4000 it meant actually having a Police officer around i would .
What is the marginal-cost of a police officer? Unlikely to be less than 100k. A town of 4000 will have at most half that number earning, so your required donation is at best (100k / 2000), in other words if everyone pays then the minimum you could get away with would be fifty quid a year -- which actually sounds do-able. The numbers are just a guess though, so they would almost certainly be higher in practice, especially as most people wouldn't want to set aside a pound a week so you might end up with a few dozen contributors in total.

What is the legal position on a group of residents hiring un-armed, un-warranted PMC bods as a town security-force?
 
What is the legal position on a group of residents hiring un-armed, un-warranted PMC bods as a town security-force?
Nothing wrong with hiring security

What you ask them to do or what they actually do may matter:

Wandering around displaying their SIA, checking things are secure, alerting the police as required etc are all fine

Acting as vigilantees, harassing who they don’t like the look of, doing their own petty crime etc aren’t so fine

Alternatively the public could volunteer as special Constables, neighbourhood watch, write to their PCC etc
 
Alternatively the public could volunteer as special Constables, neighbourhood watch, write to their PCC etc
Has Neighbourhood watch actually kept up. I haven't heard of a watch meeting for decades. I presume in this case you mean the Police and Crime Commissioner and not The Parochial Church Council.
 
Has Neighbourhood watch actually kept up. I haven't heard of a watch meeting for decades. I presume in this case you mean the Police and Crime Commissioner and not The Parochial Church Council.
You can find out more about the curtain twitchers, busybodies and nosyparkers club in this link.

I have no doubt the entire membership of the ARRSE amateur detective club are part of the watch. (when they are not busy solving a child disappearing case).
 

jrwlynch

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Has Neighbourhood watch actually kept up. I haven't heard of a watch meeting for decades.
My house had a Neighbourhood Watch sticker in the back window when we moved in a decade ago. Still there (can't be bothered to get rid of it...) Similarly there's one of those metal plaques on a lamp post, faded into near-illegibility. Nobody's mentioned anything about "Neighbourhood Watch" - not when we arrived, not in the years since.
 
You can find out more about the curtain twitchers, busybodies and nosyparkers club in this link.

I have no doubt the entire membership of the ARRSE amateur detective club are part of the watch. (when they are not busy solving a child disappearing case).
Oh well that’s alright then. I‘m on jesting terms with the local plod.
 

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