VM Training.

#1
Hello all.

I've read up the information given on the official Army website, and done some searching through the REME threads to gather what information I could about VM training.

As I understand it, a VM's training consists of a 5 weeks foundation course, in which suitability for becoming a VM is assessed. This is followed by about 20 working weeks training, then 9 weeks driver training.

I'm having a job believing that it only takes a little over 30 weeks to train a person up in all aspects of being a mechanic, and to be able to confidently work on the broad range of equipment the army uses. This is considering it takes years to qualify as a car mechanic in civvy street.

My question is, after the above training, is there any further training which isn't mentioned? Any information of such training would be great. Thanks for reading.
 
#2
There's actually no law/rule that states you need any formal qualifications to call yourself a car mechanic in civvy street, besides which 30 weeks seems a fair amount of time to know that basics.
 
#3
Firstly, you're not joining the REME to become a "civvy car mechanic". On the premise of a 34 week course, working a 4.5 day week, with approximately 6.5 hours a day in class, you will be expecting to receive nearly 1000 hours training.

Secondly, when you leave training to your first unit, you will be a class 3 VM. There is a 6 month period where you will be continually assessed for your class 2. You'll learn on the job and will have various job signed off on completion of them. This is where you'll gain the vast majority of your hands on skills.

Finally, after 4 years of pack lifts, sweeping the shop floor and stagging on, you'll be back at sunny Bordon to do you Class 1, another 7 - 11 months dependant on your trade of learning yet more stuff.
 
#4
Firstly, you're not joining the REME to become a "civvy car mechanic". On the premise of a 34 week course, working a 4.5 day week, with approximately 6.5 hours a day in class, you will be expecting to receive nearly 1000 hours training.
I didn't mean to come across dissrespectful to the trade, "civvy car mechanic" was just an example. Perhaps a bad one.

Secondly, when you leave training to your first unit, you will be a class 3 VM. There is a 6 month period where you will be continually assessed for your class 2. You'll learn on the job and will have various job signed off on completion of them. This is where you'll gain the vast majority of your hands on skills.

Finally, after 4 years of pack lifts, sweeping the shop floor and stagging on, you'll be back at sunny Bordon to do you Class 1, another 7 - 11 months dependant on your trade of learning yet more stuff.
Thankyou for this peice of information though. This is what i was interested to learn, training after initial trade training.

Adding to this, during the assessment period, is the training for class 2 done in a classroom/workshop environment? Or is it also done while in the field?

Thanks.
 
#6
Adding to this, during the assessment period, is the training for class 2 done in a classroom/workshop environment? Or is it also done while in the field?
On completion of your training at Bordon you will be given a Trade Proficiency Development Booklet (TPDB) other wise known as your 3-2 Book. You will take this to your unit and have the various tasks inside signed off as and when you complete them. When it is complete and your line manager deems you competent, you will be awarded your class 2 and receive a (small) payrise.

The tasks will be carried out wherever your unit is, be that in barracks, on exercise or on operations. Units may well hold a class 2 trade assessment but this varies from unit to unit.

As a class 3 you should be supervised at all times, although this is not always possible. Class 2s must have their work out inspected by a class 1. You will not be fully qualified until you have completed the class 1 course, at which point you will have normally served around 6 years.
 
#7
My son is presently at Bordon doing his foundation course, He's not doing very well and has failed his "materials". What I want to know are if he fails to complete the foundation course what are his options?
 
#12
What exactly does the foundation course involve? Ait of bench fitting? What are you expected to make?
Maths, science and engineering materials exams. Workshop health and safety with a piss poor easy exam and then 2 weeks of bench fitting where you have a written exam and a practical piece which for us at least was a strap spanner used for taking off oil filters apparntly say the vm's.

Armourer's have to get 65% on the workshop based stuff and vm's 60% and the other trades 60% as far as I know.

The other exams are 60% pass rates with 1 or if your lucky 2 resits. We had 2 "Harrogate heroes" fail science twice and are now waving goodbye to sunny bordon.
 
#13
My son is presently at Bordon doing his foundation course, He's not doing very well and has failed his "materials". What I want to know are if he fails to complete the foundation course what are his options?
As said in my other reply failing foundation is pretty much the fastest way to get out the reme. We've had 2 lads from my course get kicked out just this friday gone for failing science twice.

It's all pretty basic stuff GCSE+ level physics and maths. Materials is literally just memory of 2 days worth of lessons, most of my course got 90%+ with little or no revision.

Option wise I beleive if you have looked up where you want to go you may be able to transfer but they are pretty quick to put you where they need people which at the moment is the pretty shitty jobs no one wants. Our two lads are going infantry I beleive.
 
#15
The B license is normally done in Bordon. Then C and C+E can be done in either Bordon or at the Defense School of Transport at Leconfield. The driving can be carried out before or after the course depending on time. It has been know for vm's to be farmed out to there units before completing driver training giving the unit the problem of getting you qualified.
 
#16
Were finding a lot of guys coming from Bordon now with only there B licence which means after they are took on to unit strength we lose them again for a couple of weeks to do their C and C+E it's a pain having Craftsman that can't even drive the vehicles they're working on. Also on the subject of VM training etc you also get the opportunity to do an Artificer Course which will be after completing a class 1 course and subject to passing an assessment and a few other minor courses/quals the Artificer Course is another 18 months in Bordon and gains you promotion to Staff Sergeant and a HND as it currently stands
 
#17
Were finding a lot of guys coming from Bordon now with only there B licence which means after they are took on to unit strength we lose them again for a couple of weeks to do their C and C+E it's a pain having Craftsman that can't even drive the vehicles they're working on. Also on the subject of VM training etc you also get the opportunity to do an Artificer Course which will be after completing a class 1 course and subject to passing an assessment and a few other minor courses/quals the Artificer Course is another 18 months in Bordon and gains you promotion to Staff Sergeant and a HND as it currently stands
The "minor," courses being;

SCLM1 (pt A+B)-Cpls courses
SCLM2 (pt A+B)-Sgts courses
Education for promotion
PAAB
Artificer Maths Paper
Artificer Trade Paper
2 years minimum at trade as a class 1 VM
A recommendation for training as an Artificer from your OC Wksps

Simples!
 
#18
The "minor," courses being;

SCLM1 (pt A+B)-Cpls courses
SCLM2 (pt A+B)-Sgts courses
Education for promotion
PAAB
Artificer Maths Paper
Artificer Trade Paper
2 years minimum at trade as a class 1 VM
A recommendation for training as an Artificer from your OC Wksps

Simples!
Realistically if you can get a decent overall percentage on your class 1 you get trade paper exempt and the PAAB is the aforementioned assessment which leaves tiffy maths and SCLM pt 1 but you don't need the SCLM to be loaded from the ASCLB although it needs to be done before you start the course
 
#19
Realistically if you can get a decent overall percentage on your class 1 you get trade paper exempt and the PAAB is the aforementioned assessment which leaves tiffy maths and SCLM pt 1 but you don't need the SCLM to be loaded from the ASCLB although it needs to be done before you start the course
Yep.

All you then have to do is sit in a classroom and do a 3 year HND course in 18 mnths with extra green bits thrown in. Having, of course, PASSED your PAAB, got your 2 years minimum trade experience and recommendation from your boss on your CR........ It really is that easy! Just ask your local Tiff-he'll tell you he got his crown and hammer and tongues from a lucky bag......
Oh,and if you're not fully qualified-be prepared to cram all your military courses into what time you have left over on your tiffy course.

Are you a tiffy Floydy?
 
#20
No im not a Tiffy but I'm heading that route I'm not saying it's easy but its by no means hard either I've only started the ball rolling 6 months ago and everything is going well so far in that time passed a PAAB got an unqualified recommendation for artificer training and loaded on Tiffy maths. And I only brought up the Tiffy thing as info for the guy who started this thread. I take it your a Tiffy though
 

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