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Vietnam tooling up

Command_doh

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
They are deranged if they think they can get into a row with China over territorial rights to natural resources. I will be in Saigon in a few weeks, no doubt there will be loads of propaganda splashed about in print.
 
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Command_doh said:
They are deranged if they think they can get into a row with China over territorial rights to natural resources. I will be in Saigon in a few weeks, no doubt there will be loads of propaganda splashed about in print.
They've already had one spat with the Chinese in 79, it didn't go well for the Vietnamese.
 
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MikeMcc said:
Command_doh said:
They are deranged if they think they can get into a row with China over territorial rights to natural resources. I will be in Saigon in a few weeks, no doubt there will be loads of propaganda splashed about in print.
They've already had one spat with the Chinese in 79, it didn't go well for the Vietnamese.
I think you'll find that was the other way round, it didn't go well for the chinese...
 
#7
Bradstyley said:
MikeMcc said:
Command_doh said:
They are deranged if they think they can get into a row with China over territorial rights to natural resources. I will be in Saigon in a few weeks, no doubt there will be loads of propaganda splashed about in print.
They've already had one spat with the Chinese in 79, it didn't go well for the Vietnamese.
I think you'll find that was the other way round, it didn't go well for the chinese...
The land war was a disaster for PLA but the naval spat went the other way round. Vietnam hasn't fared at all well in naval conflicts with China throughout the latter 20th Century.

The second go-round was a complete reverse on land and same old same-old at sea. There were a number of spats in the late 80s with the Vietnamese getting silver each time. One example. Chi Gua is the Chinese name for Johnson Reef in the Spratly's.

The two countries have recently signed a variety of deals regarding exploration of the disputed seas. This could be seen as SRVN's way of discouraging the Chinese from welching - 'You can do it but it'll cost you. How much do you want to pay?' kinda thing.
 

old_fat_and_hairy

LE
Book Reviewer
Reviews Editor
#8
It's nothing to worry about. I have it on very good authority that a retired but still very influential American senior Naval Officer, who now works in a shadowy area of intelligence, has in his posession the satellite photos of all these items, and a top secret team of U.S Special Forces, including Seals and Rangers are being briefed ( or briefified) to 'take out' the subs before they arrive in Vietnam, and will destroy the fighters whilst still in their hardened shelters!
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
HectortheInspector said:
Vietnam is spending billions on new Russian hardware, in peacetime

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8415380.stm

We're cutting stuff in wartime.
Does that strike anyone else as a bit odd?
Not really, one country's ruled by incompetent doctrinaire socialists who want to build a Worker's Paradise and the other country beat France and the USA in the course of a thirty year war and now wants to move on.
 
#14
FORMER_FYRDMAN said:
HectortheInspector said:
Vietnam is spending billions on new Russian hardware, in peacetime

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8415380.stm

We're cutting stuff in wartime.
Does that strike anyone else as a bit odd?
Not really, one country's ruled by incompetent doctrinaire socialists who want to build a Worker's Paradise and the other country beat France and the USA in the course of a thirty year war and now wants to move on.
Shouldn't that be immigrants paradise, where the indigenous population work their guts off so that immigrants can liv in million pound mansions?
 
#15
They might be deranged if they think they can succeed against PRC, but they would be foolish to rely on negotiating settlements without any sign of steel beneath the velvet glove.
 
#16
Not really, one country's ruled by incompetent doctrinaire socialists who want to build a Worker's Paradise and the other country beat France and the USA in the course of a thirty year war and now wants to move on.
Oh the shame and horror of it all! :crying: To be beaten with France by the same wily oriental gentleman, Mr. Charles. :cry: It doesn't feel right to pair us with the white flag brigade but there you are. :wink: My only excuse was we were winning when I left. :p

 
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Command_doh said:
They are deranged if they think they can get into a row with China over territorial rights to natural resources. I will be in Saigon in a few weeks, no doubt there will be loads of propaganda splashed about in print.
I doubt it. But if you are around for a while drop me a line and we might be able to meet up for a bevvy.

Tooling up is not the only thing the Vietnames are doing. They are also building roads, housing (modern apartments and houses), dock facilities, hotels, roads, communications... The list is endless. They are determined to become a force to be reckoned with in S/E asia and not just a military force. They are (I think) now the biggest grower and exporter of rice in S/E A and fairly close to being the biggest sea food producer. Their coffee is outstanding and plentiful, they export tea and herbs. Shoe making is a huge undertaking here at the moment and most of the worlds big brands are made here. Banking is growing at an incredible rate and where, ten years ago there were no atm machines anywhere, they are now in virtualy every town. Everyone, including beggars in the street have mobile phones which work just about everywhere. Internet is in every village - its still crap in many places but that is changing fast as just about every small town now has a mast bristling with microwave dishes, thus doing away with the need for an extensive cable network (problematic here in the mekong delta with so much water, rivers and canals). If you havent been to Saigon for a couple of years be prepared for a surprise as it is becoming cleaner and more modern by the day.

May I reccomend that you partake of the buffet at the CARAVELLE HOTEL in S'gon - its not cheap at 36 dollars a head but the food is out of this world, as much as you can eat and as much free house wine as you can put away (I had Australian red last week).
 

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