Videos

Video library on Arrse?

  • Yes without reservation

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  • Yes, as long as it is sensible and moderated

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  • No, open to abuse

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hell no , i dont want to go to prison!

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chrisg46

LE
Book Reviewer
#1
Quick straw poll please,

A hobby in my platoon on telic seemed to be the creation numerous squaddie produced videos (no, not that kind...) of individuals, teams, platoons etc. These follow the form of a photo slideshow set to music and with various warry vid clips mixed in. Upon looking at my extensive collection, i wondered if these were peculiar to TA or if Regs are as bad in doing this? I know it is done (1 PWRR at Cimic House on telic 4 is a good example, and with the widespread use of laptops and digtal cameras, it seems like some people could produce professional standard bits of film!

Is there any possibility of a video library on Arrse, like a gallery for phots? I dont know about the techie side of this, but obvously any posted videos would have to meet various criteria such as OPSEC and PERSEC, not to mention size of the clip and any legal ramifications...but i do know that vid swapping was quite a popular way of showing what other people have been doing.

Any thoughts, comments?
 
#3
Judging by the results of your survey so far (20% a, 80% b) I'm going to be flying in the face of perceived wisdom but hey, why change the habit of a lifetime :lol:

Firstly, yes regulars are as keen on making home movies as TA (In my experience). No real shocks there, I think most people are quite keen to keep mementos of experiences they have had, used to be photo collections, now in the digital era it's digi photos and then thanks to bill gates, moviemaker came along and home movies of still photos was the next logical progression.

Should a forum be set up to share these videos? No!

many reasons but off the top of my head.

1. OPSEC - probably not a huge concern really but always the possibility that some bit of kit, or some vehicle modification that shouldn't be out in the public domain is on display in the background - who will check every submission to ensure this is not the case, and who has the knowledge to know quickly whether that widget attached to Simpkins in the back row 3rd from left is or is not classified?

2. PERSEC - The main reason - These videos are HOME movies, they are not intended for distribution wider than the community from which the photos come from in the first place. Whilst in that community PERSEC is not an issue as everyone knows who everyone else is but as soon as these images become available in the public domain they are there for anyone and everyone to see.

3. Release Permission - All the home movies I've appearred in have been done with my consent and with me having the say over whether a particualr photo is used - nothing dodgy just making sure they got the right side of me :wink: - but the permission I gave was for the photo to be distributed amongst family (Army family anyway) I did not give permission for it to be posted on tinterweb and would be unlikely to do so. Multiply this by 150 for the average Coy sized video and the problem is huge.

4. Fianlly for now - Why???? these are HOME movies, to be perfectly honest I couldn't care less what the 3rd foot and mouth got upto in their tour of affraqbucktoo, I wasn't there, it means nothing to me. I Do care about seeing the video from my exploits as it evokes memories of the happy times I had serving with friends from my unit in difficult times but I'm not so vain as to think anyone who "you wasn't there man" would care about what I or others did or the many jolly japes we got up to while waiting for the next round to land...

5. Last I promise!! - the Daily mirror effect - whilst I in no way condone any illegal act perpetrated by anyone, I'm sure we can all think of clips in videos which when taken out of context could be construed in a totally different way and lead to all sorts of problems. Again a symptom of distributing home movies to people who weren't there at the time and don't understand the unique circumstances surrounding your particular miniature sphere of a complex operation during difficult times. To finish I give aquote from a colleague who didn't deploy with us but saw a copy of a home movie "What the feck are you cowboys doing with bayonets attached, you're on a feckin peace keeping, sunshine tour" and this form someone who deffinately DID know better :roll:


Humph,
Standing by for wiser minds to put me back in my box!!
 
#4
Oh god those videos are boring.. Well unless you know the people. And hearing Song 2 by blur every time a landrover goes over 20mph gets a little tedious..
 

chrisg46

LE
Book Reviewer
#5
steptoe said:
Oh god those videos are boring.. Well unless you know the people. And hearing Song 2 by blur every time a landrover goes over 20mph gets a little tedious..
I used the Benny hill theme tune on mine, strangely effective...

Good points raised above though, i admit i didnt think of the personal release issue...
 
#6
I can't remember the video I saw which had 'Die Motherfuckr Die' as it's theme tune, but it would be a great one for the Daily Mirror...
 

chrisg46

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
eSeL said:
I can't remember the video I saw which had 'Die Motherfuckr Die' as it's theme tune, but it would be a great one for the Daily Mirror...
If it the one i have seen, it was done by the London regt when they were on telic 4. It is pretty good, and the DM would LOVE it!! The yanks have got one as well, usual cheese, bunch of blokes in smokey robinson hats or whatever they are called, standing to attention! Got both somewhere...
 
#8
Having several myself, I agree totally with Humphrey on all points, but especially on the Daily Mirror effect. We are getting enough bad press as it is, without volunteering what we see as harmless and/or jokey videos to that bunch of wasters who would sell their soul for a sale without thinking about the consequences of their actions to the troops.
 
#9
It's a good idea, but as outlined above, has a lot of issues. It would probably be better on ArmyNet (with a limited audience) but only if there was a way that the content could be viewed but not capable of download.
 
#10
putteesinmyhands said:
It's a good idea, but as outlined above, has a lot of issues. It would probably be better on ArmyNet (with a limited audience) but only if there was a way that the content could be viewed but not capable of download.
So how do you propose viewing, but not downloading? It's got to get to your PC somehow....

msr
 

chrisg46

LE
Book Reviewer
#11
think he means some kind of streaming it...
 
#13
Just to qualify:

Humphrey_De_Tiluel said:
1. OPSEC - probably not a huge concern really but always the possibility that some bit of kit, or some vehicle modification that shouldn't be out in the public domain is on display in the background - who will check every submission to ensure this is not the case, and who has the knowledge to know quickly whether that widget attached to Simpkins in the back row 3rd from left is or is not classified?

By going to ArmyNet, the material would not be in Public Domain, but on a secure (well https, anyway) site. The moderators would have a better feeling for material that exceeds the site restriction of UNCLAS than ARRSE Mods. (Sorry if I've upset anyone, but I hope you understand).

2. PERSEC - The main reason - These videos are HOME movies, they are not intended for distribution wider than the community from which the photos come from in the first place. Whilst in that community PERSEC is not an issue as everyone knows who everyone else is but as soon as these images become available in the public domain they are there for anyone and everyone to see.

Again, within ArmyNet, PERSEC should be reasonably assured.

3. Release Permission - All the home movies I've appearred in have been done with my consent and with me having the say over whether a particualr photo is used - nothing dodgy just making sure they got the right side of me :wink: - but the permission I gave was for the photo to be distributed amongst family (Army family anyway) I did not give permission for it to be posted on tinterweb and would be unlikely to do so. Multiply this by 150 for the average Coy sized video and the problem is huge.

In ArmyNet, the audience would be Army family and nominated guests. I can see that this would be difficult to police as the material could be on view without the knowledge of a participant. Thoughts spring to mind of a couple holding hands in the background, unaware of the camera, and one or both have other serving partners or spouses.

4. Fianlly for now - Why???? these are HOME movies, to be perfectly honest I couldn't care less what the 3rd foot and mouth got upto in their tour of affraqbucktoo, I wasn't there, it means nothing to me. I Do care about seeing the video from my exploits as it evokes memories of the happy times I had serving with friends from my unit in difficult times but I'm not so vain as to think anyone who "you wasn't there man" would care about what I or others did or the many jolly japes we got up to while waiting for the next round to land...

While I'd agree that videos of strangers may not be particularly enlightening, a lot of people may be interested in the location, to see how things have changed over time or to get an insight of where they're travelling to.

5. Last I promise!! - the Daily mirror effect - whilst I in no way condone any illegal act perpetrated by anyone, I'm sure we can all think of clips in videos which when taken out of context could be construed in a totally different way and lead to all sorts of problems. Again a symptom of distributing home movies to people who weren't there at the time and don't understand the unique circumstances surrounding your particular miniature sphere of a complex operation during difficult times. To finish I give aquote from a colleague who didn't deploy with us but saw a copy of a home movie "What the feck are you cowboys doing with bayonets attached, you're on a feckin peace keeping, sunshine tour" and this form someone who deffinately DID know better :roll:

Hence the need to ensure that the clip can't be downloaded. I'm not technically minded in this internet stuff, but I've noticed that a lot of clips that I've viewed can neither be saved nor turn up in various temporary folders for sneaky lifting later. If the material can be protected in this way, it's less likely to be handed out to wrong'uns. Obviously, there's the chance that some clot will camcorder the screen, but then again, there's a chance that the cameraman will flog the material direct.


Humph,
Standing by for wiser minds to put me back in my box!!
I suppose, looking through it, that we're not quite ready for all of the implications, so we'll just have to settle for the current procedure where clips do the rounds by e-mail and lose all traceability and control.
 
#14
Absolutely not. Never. See the good point above about getting a companies' worth of consent.

If I volunteer a picture to the media (through media ops), or net as a 'look at me', thats my problem.

I'm in a fair few private vids made last year and I don't want to see it online. Similarly a few Irish fellas who didn't do any publicity would be livid if their mugs went online.
 

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