Video of American Hostage

#5
CarrotGirl said:
It's so awful. :( I hope we all get our boys and girls back. Soldiers, journalists or otherwise.
Well the Brits are hopefully pulling out of Iraq before 2 years like the Americans, fingers crossed ay :cry:
 
#7
moving-target-survivor said:
he's paid 2grand a week to do that job...

take the gain - take the pain

nuff said
Quite right, he knew the risks, u wouldnt catch me working out there as a civillian, still not nice though, I can't even begin to imagine the terror that is going through that blokes head, he's knows he's a gonna
 
#8
All i can say is i hope ther will be no more hostage killings, or other killings in Iraq, but sadly i feel that may be over optimistic.

And as for yur comment MTS, thats just niavity talking there, it doesnt matter if he is earning 2 grand a week , or 200 quid a week, no one deserves to be beheaded, over some ones ideals
 
#9
Sabre said:
All i can say is i hope ther will be no more hostage killings, or other killings in Iraq, but sadly i feel that may be over optimistic.

And as for yur comment MTS, thats just niavity talking there, it doesnt matter if he is earning 2 grand a week , or 200 quid a week, no one deserves to be beheaded, over some ones ideals
How the bloody hell did they kidnap him from a construction site is what I want to know, surely there would have been a lot of people about?? oh well I suppose that doesn't really matter now, all I can say now is that I hope they don't keep the poor man going for ages like Ken Bigley, sounds awful but put the poor guy out of his misery now.
 
#10
Spursluv said:
CarrotGirl said:
It's so awful. :( I hope we all get our boys and girls back. Soldiers, journalists or otherwise.
Well the Brits are hopefully pulling out of Iraq before 2 years like the Americans, fingers crossed ay :cry:
I hope so. There are too many American soldiers to pull out in 2 years, but I hope the Brits and the EU troops and the rest get out of there, at the very least.

There are risks of course, but no one deserves that.
 
#11
CarrotGirl said:
Spursluv said:
CarrotGirl said:
It's so awful. :( I hope we all get our boys and girls back. Soldiers, journalists or otherwise.
Well the Brits are hopefully pulling out of Iraq before 2 years like the Americans, fingers crossed ay :cry:
I hope so. There are too many American soldiers to pull out in 2 years, but I hope the Brits and the EU troops and the rest get out of there, at the very least.

There are risks of course, but no one deserves that.
No thats right, the thing is, the Brits have done their bit now, we've done what we was sent out there to do, so time to come home now I think.
 
#12
Without wishing to open yet another debate on 'The War' and for the record I was against it - but still deployed on TELIC 1. We must stay in Iraq until the elected Iraqi Government does not want us anymore - regardless of how dangerous it is. To leave early would be a gross dis-service to the Iraqi people. It is not case of 'we have done our bit now we are leaving'. Whether you like it or not the UK created the current situation (with the US) by going to war in the first place, therefore we must stay until we win the peace or are no longer wanted/needed. UK Plc has to, collectively, be responsible for its actions.
 
#13
Yes one can see how a dangerous man such as he needs to be kidnapped, paraded on international media channels and the internet, no doubt tortured, before being beheaded. How dare he want to help rebuild a country that has been pretty much destroyed by not only Saddam but by the 'Coalition of the Willing' and now its very own fanatical fundamentalists that blow up muslim Iraqi citizens whom try to join the Iraqi police or army.

One can also see how him being paid a wage to go into the country and do a job, that might benefit the citizens of Iraq, entitles a bunch of lunatics to kidnap and kill him and threaten others lives and countries to get out of Iraq and leave it to their group. (That is no doubt the best idea since well...since knife met bread really :roll: ). How dare that man be terrified out of his mind whilst these obviously humanitarian freedom fighters utilise his presence to reinforce their point to the rest of the world.

One can also see how well mts would do comforting the family of this man. Go to it young man your gentle, sympathetic approach will earn you a place in their hearts. In fact I think once you have done that you should apply for a position as a goodwill ambassador to the UN.
 
#14
Gonzo said:
Without wishing to open yet another debate on 'The War' and for the record I was against it - but still deployed on TELIC 1. We must stay in Iraq until the elected Iraqi Government does not want us anymore - regardless of how dangerous it is. To leave early would be a gross dis-service to the Iraqi people. It is not case of 'we have done our bit now we are leaving'. Whether you like it or not the UK created the current situation (with the US) by going to war in the first place, therefore we must stay until we win the peace or are no longer wanted/needed. UK Plc has to, collectively, be responsible for its actions.
I'm not saying to just get up and leave at any old time, otherwise the people that have lost their lives out there would have done so in vain, what I am trying to say is surely it's got to be close to having 'done our bit' by now?? I'm in no position to comment too in debth because I do know know all the facts etc
 
#15
mizkrissi said:
Yes one can see how a dangerous man such as he needs to be kidnapped, paraded on international media channels and the internet, no doubt tortured, before being beheaded. How dare he want to help rebuild a country that has been pretty much destroyed by not only Saddam but by the 'Coalition of the Willing' and now its very own fanatical fundamentalists that blow up muslim Iraqi citizens whom try to join the Iraqi police or army.

One can also see how him being paid a wage to go into the country and do a job, that might benefit the citizens of Iraq, entitles a bunch of lunatics to kidnap and kill him and threaten others lives and countries to get out of Iraq and leave it to their group. (That is no doubt the best idea since well...since knife met bread really :roll: ). How dare that man be terrified out of his mind whilst these obviously humanitarian freedom fighters utilise his presence to reinforce their point to the rest of the world.

One can also see how well mts would do comforting the family of this man. Go to it young man your gentle, sympathetic approach will earn you a place in their hearts. In fact I think once you have done that you should apply for a position as a goodwill ambassador to the UN.
Well said matey, thats all I can say :!: :!:
 
#16
How do you quantify 'done our bit'? Who decides whether we have done enough? This is all irrelevant and entirely subjective. The decision to pull out of Iraq is not down to how much we have contributed but whether the country is ready for us to leave. To base the decision on any other factor would be irresponsible.
 
#17
Gonzo said:
How do you quantify 'done our bit'? Who decides whether we have done enough? This is all irrelevant and entirely subjective. The decision to pull out of Iraq is not down to how much we have contributed but whether the country is ready for us to leave. To base the decision on any other factor would be irresponsible.
I think more importantly, leave when WE are ready to leave, not when Iraq thinks we're ready to leave surely?

I know what you are saying certainly, but most of the people in Iraq probably NEVER want us to leave, when do you draw the line?
 
#18
Spursluv said:
moving-target-survivor said:
he's paid 2grand a week to do that job...

take the gain - take the pain

nuff said
Quite right, he knew the risks, u wouldnt catch me working out there as a civillian, still not nice though, I can't even begin to imagine the terror that is going through that blokes head, he's knows he's a gonna
Spursluv said:
mizkrissi said:
Yes one can see how a dangerous man such as he needs to be kidnapped, paraded on international media channels and the internet, no doubt tortured, before being beheaded. How dare he want to help rebuild a country that has been pretty much destroyed by not only Saddam but by the 'Coalition of the Willing' and now its very own fanatical fundamentalists that blow up muslim Iraqi citizens whom try to join the Iraqi police or army.

One can also see how him being paid a wage to go into the country and do a job, that might benefit the citizens of Iraq, entitles a bunch of lunatics to kidnap and kill him and threaten others lives and countries to get out of Iraq and leave it to their group. (That is no doubt the best idea since well...since knife met bread really :roll: ). How dare that man be terrified out of his mind whilst these obviously humanitarian freedom fighters utilise his presence to reinforce their point to the rest of the world.

One can also see how well mts would do comforting the family of this man. Go to it young man your gentle, sympathetic approach will earn you a place in their hearts. In fact I think once you have done that you should apply for a position as a goodwill ambassador to the UN.
Well said matey, thats all I can say :!: :!:
Spurs where exactly does you postion actually lie, one minute you are agreeing with an ill informed idiot who thinks just because some gets paid more than him they have to die. then next you are agreeing with miz and other posters, even going so far as informing every one of your change of stance after every one posts! So where do YOU sit on this topic?
 
#19
Spursluv said:
moving-target-survivor said:
he's paid 2grand a week to do that job...

take the gain - take the pain

nuff said
Quite right, he knew the risks, u wouldnt catch me working out there as a civillian, still not nice though, I can't even begin to imagine the terror that is going through that blokes head, he's knows he's a gonna
Sabre show me where I agreed to the man being captured etc, all I am saying is he knew the risks, surely you can't argue with that?? but if you read the rest of what I have said, I have quite plainly said "even so, the poor man doesn't deserve it" so I'm not sure what are getting at?
 
#20
Spursluv,
That is the million dollar question! The decision has to be ours to make, in consultation with our allies. There must be a set of agreed indicators that when met show that the country is ready to stand on its own two feet. I have no doubt that someone high up has sketched out what the criteria is but I would guess that it would involve - an Iraqi Security Force capable of dealing with the insurgency, an acceptable level of violence, a working democracy, secure and reliable infrastructure, lower unemployment and a sustainable economy (probably with continued international aid).
 

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