Victory over terror?

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Neo Con I liked that article but the problem to me is that there are not enough voices out there questioning how Islam should be responding to the present situation we all face. I only see terrorism and muslims crying victim.
 
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So all in all, we have I think a major problem in terms of recognizing the jihadist culture or what I call soft jihad or cultural jihadism, that is far more rampant, that has to be discredited, that has to be delegitimized. At the same time, while we need to genuinely empower authentic Islamic moderates who renounce jihad, who renounce Islamic terrorism, and who are not afraid, as we have seen with several genuine moderates, to admit the fact that Islamic extremism is rampant within the institutionalized hierarchy of the Islamic organizations in the United States
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This I think may be true but here are some of Muslims and Arabs who are reformers and moderates who are the real deal. They are not even close to a majority and may not even agree with each other but they speak to fact that you can't lump all Arabs and Muslims into one group. These are people we need to support if we can.

http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/

http://www.bigpharaoh.blogspot.com/

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?

Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP110706

Video Check out the clip from Wafa Sultan:

http://www.benadorassociates.com/makiya.php

http://www.iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/author/fouad-ajami/index.html


http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies_show.htm?doc_id=154799

http://www.sandmonkey.org/

This is a pretty good counter-terrorism Blog

http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/
 
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civpop42 said:
Neo Con I liked that article but the problem to me is that there are not enough voices out there questioning how Islam should be responding to the present situation we all face. I only see terrorism and muslims crying victim.
Try No God But God by Reza Aslan and step away from the tinfoil-hat blogs.
 
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4557220

Reza Aslan Not a bad source He makes points others are making but he is a bit naive about just negotiating.



Irshad Manji seems to be a bit more hardheaded , though they agree on some points about the History of Islam

http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/audio/PMtlm9RTimeaifJStereo.mp3

http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/thebook.html

The original article Reza Aslan and Irshad Manji all are trying to grapple with the point. Is Islam a religion of peace ?. The original article tended towards that it is not generally a religion of peace because jihadi culture permeates the religion and religious groups, but their are genuine reformers we in the west can work with.

Reza Aslan concluded that it is both a religion of peace and a jihadi religion , the jihadi have won how the religion is to be defined, it is a internal struggle.

Irshad Manji thinks that Islam can be define either way, is ambivalent as to which it is, but the religion of peace needs to be push and their is a role for the west.


There are other ideas as to what is going in the Middle East, most have to do with that it is bushes fault.
 
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NEO_CON said:
Reza Aslan Not a bad source He makes points others are making but he is a bit naive about just negotiating.
Because 700-800 years of fighting them and invading their countries has been such a fecking resounding success so far in terms of calming them down, hasn't it? :wink:
 
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Because 700-800 years of fighting them and invading their countries has been such a fecking resounding success so far in terms of calming them down, hasn't it

He purposes to negotiate with no sanctions which is just talk. They will agree if they are screwed enough and do just what they want to do. You may have concluded that its ok for them to get Nuclear weapons. Then argue it . He doesn't seem to think so. The just talk approach seems a bit simple minded.
 
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At the end of the day we are now talking about one persons blog and opinions against another. yin yang sense of balance of the world seems quite relevant in my view. I may be bonkers but its the only religious symbol that has meaning to me.
 
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NEO_CON said:
Because 700-800 years of fighting them and invading their countries has been such a fecking resounding success so far in terms of calming them down, hasn't it

He purposes to negotiate with no sanctions which is just talk. They will agree if they are screwed enough and do just what they want to do. You may have concluded that its ok for them to get Nuclear weapons. Then argue it . He doesn't seem to think so. The just talk approach seems a bit simple minded.
I'm an educated man, but I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. Does your day job involve translating instructions for self-assembly furniture from Chinese and Korean?
 
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civpop42 said:
At the end of the day we are now talking about one persons blog and opinions against another. yin yang sense of balance of the world seems quite relevant in my view. I may be bonkers but its the only religious symbol that has meaning to me.
The problem with blogs is that they're unedited and do not go through peer review. In other words, there is no quality control or standard for determining accuracy or reliability. A text such as Aslan's will have been through a review process before publication.
 
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I dont believe we will ever defeat fundamentalist islam. Our very existance as a secular country permits its growth from within our nation and the west in general. Maybe the trick could be to promote the revisionist Islamic activists within the more militant Islamic states to get the workable balance. sorry if that concept has been done before but seems a reasonable one and suits my yin yang statement previously
 
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