Victory over terror?

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by civpop42, Mar 21, 2006.

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  1. I saw these couple of sentences and then decided the article was not worth 5 minutes of my life...

    and that chap is supposed to be a Lt Gen??????

    Tricam
     
  2. I thought that also about the anthrax plot bit. So the whole debate is bollocks then? because it scared the shit out of me.
     
  3. Neo Con I liked that article but the problem to me is that there are not enough voices out there questioning how Islam should be responding to the present situation we all face. I only see terrorism and muslims crying victim.
     
  4. .


    This I think may be true but here are some of Muslims and Arabs who are reformers and moderates who are the real deal. They are not even close to a majority and may not even agree with each other but they speak to fact that you can't lump all Arabs and Muslims into one group. These are people we need to support if we can.

    http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/

    http://www.bigpharaoh.blogspot.com/

    http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?

    Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP110706

    Video Check out the clip from Wafa Sultan:

    http://www.benadorassociates.com/makiya.php

    http://www.iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

    http://www.foreignaffairs.org/author/fouad-ajami/index.html


    http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies_show.htm?doc_id=154799

    http://www.sandmonkey.org/

    This is a pretty good counter-terrorism Blog

    http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/
     
  5. Thanks for the links neo con. I have just watched the wafa sultan interview and was very impressed with her courage.
     
  6. I agree wholeheartedly with Tricam. And they were at an 'intelligence summit'. . . .?!?!?!
     
  7. I read about half of it and I have to say, the only phrase that sprang to mind was "neo-con circle jerk".
     
  8. Try No God But God by Reza Aslan and step away from the tinfoil-hat blogs.
     
  9. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4557220

    Reza Aslan Not a bad source He makes points others are making but he is a bit naive about just negotiating.



    Irshad Manji seems to be a bit more hardheaded , though they agree on some points about the History of Islam

    http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/audio/PMtlm9RTimeaifJStereo.mp3

    http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/thebook.html

    The original article Reza Aslan and Irshad Manji all are trying to grapple with the point. Is Islam a religion of peace ?. The original article tended towards that it is not generally a religion of peace because jihadi culture permeates the religion and religious groups, but their are genuine reformers we in the west can work with.

    Reza Aslan concluded that it is both a religion of peace and a jihadi religion , the jihadi have won how the religion is to be defined, it is a internal struggle.

    Irshad Manji thinks that Islam can be define either way, is ambivalent as to which it is, but the religion of peace needs to be push and their is a role for the west.


    There are other ideas as to what is going in the Middle East, most have to do with that it is bushes fault.
     
  10. Because 700-800 years of fighting them and invading their countries has been such a fecking resounding success so far in terms of calming them down, hasn't it? :wink:
     

  11. He purposes to negotiate with no sanctions which is just talk. They will agree if they are screwed enough and do just what they want to do. You may have concluded that its ok for them to get Nuclear weapons. Then argue it . He doesn't seem to think so. The just talk approach seems a bit simple minded.
     
  12. At the end of the day we are now talking about one persons blog and opinions against another. yin yang sense of balance of the world seems quite relevant in my view. I may be bonkers but its the only religious symbol that has meaning to me.
     
  13. I'm an educated man, but I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. Does your day job involve translating instructions for self-assembly furniture from Chinese and Korean?