Victory in Sangin?

#2
Just got back from Afghan yesterday and the USMC have Sangin sown up at present or so the US Marines who I was talking to seemed to think. They said our head shed were too scared with collateral damage and civilian casualties to ever get the job done there. Basically said our head shed are pussies which I'm inclined to agree with.
 

daywalker

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#3
I spoke to someone who was attached to them earlier this year and he pretty much said the same thing. He was impressed with the way they operated there, i think ROBUST was the word he used.
 
#4
I hope they have. But it's a little soon for a mission accomplished banner yet IMHO.
 
#5
Just got back from Afghan yesterday and the USMC have Sangin sown up at present or so the US Marines who I was talking to seemed to think. They said our head shed were too scared with collateral damage and civilian casualties to ever get the job done there. Basically said our head shed are pussies which I'm inclined to agree with.
Are you as convinced? genuine question.
 
#6
I spoke to someone who was attached to them earlier this year and he pretty much said the same thing. He was impressed with the way they operated there, i think ROBUST was the word he used.
Yep. Our boys were just held back by over cautious head shed.

I hope they have. But it's a little soon for a mission accomplished banner yet IMHO.
The mission will never be accomplished in Helmand if the mission is to rid the area of insurgents.
 
#7
Are you as convinced? genuine question.
There are nowhere near as many casualties coming out of Sangin now at any rate. Personally I think there are too few mid management leaders in the Sangin area at present to organise some decent resistance. I've no doubt it'll pick up a notch or two as we enter the summer months out there. The yanks certainly don't **** about though when they've a mission to accomplish (unlike us).
 
#8
How much of the USMC having the place tightened up is to do with the taliban simply moving elsewhere, or as FSJ alludes to, waiting for the summer months before ratcheting up a notch?
 
#9
4yrs of RMC presence and what? 1 yrs of 6th Marines being in the area and its done?

Another one for the history books for the veterans of Al Anbar.
 
#10
4yrs of RMC presence and what? 1 yrs of 6th Marines being in the area and its done?

Another one for the history books for the veterans of Al Anbar.

I don't know what you're on....but can I buy it over the counter?

Given the bang-up job the Devil Dawgs have done in Sangin, interesting to read that THEIR head-shed wants out sooner rather than later....

SOURCE

Miles AmooreThe Sunday Times' correspondent in Afghanistan

Nato ready to risk swifter Afghan handover


A classified document seen by The Sunday Times shows planners are mulling the idea of completing the planned transfer of power in 2013


The Sunday Times

Nato has drawn up plans to accelerate the passing of security to Afghan soldiers and police before it withdraws from the country.

It currently plans to hand over all 34 provinces to the Afghan forces by the end of 2014. But a classified Nato document seen by The Sunday Times shows planners have put forward the idea of completing the transfer a year early. “The plan is to have all the provinces transferred to Afghan control by the end of 2013,” a senior Nato official confirmed.

The intention of a hastier transfer would be to give Nato more time to assess the success of the process and to intervene if security deteriorates, Nato and US officials said.

General John Allen, head of American and Nato forces, is pushing for an even faster handover.

The United States had initially wanted Afghan security forces to take control of the most peaceful areas first, but this plan has now been scrapped.

“We would like this speeded up while we still have enough combat power in the country to support the Afghans in the more troubled areas,” an American official said. Nato is committed to withdrawing the majority of its forces by the end of 2014.

The organisation has acknowledged that deals may have to be struck between Afghan commanders and insurgent leaders in some of the most violent provinces.

“Local army and police commanders will do a deal with the insurgents. They will do it in an Afghan fashion,” said a senior western official. “But it doesn’t mean the problem goes away. This will be one of the big repercussions of the transition in those much harder areas.”

Western experts fear some of the provinces listed in the Nato document may be transferred too early.

Kunar, for example, which the planners want to hand over to the Afghans midway through next year, remains one of the most violent provinces in Afghanistan. Analysts warn that the country’s nascent security forces might crumble under insurgent pressure in such places.

The risk was underlined by a series of events in Kunar earlier this year. During a withdrawal from parts of the province, American commanders handed over a remote base in the Pech river valley where they had lost more than 100 soldiers and hundreds more had been wounded.

As soon as the US forces left, the Afghan commander in charge of the battalion controlling the valley fled with more than a dozen of his senior staff. The remaining soldiers looted the base. They ripped out plumbing and copper wiring and sold it in the bazaar and did the same with air-conditioning units.

There were also reports that some of the security guards stationed in the surrounding outposts had sold their weapons to the Taliban and allowed the insurgents to pass through the valley unimpeded.

“The Afghans went into a sort of bunker mentality. Morale was extremely low. They felt we’d abandoned them,” said Captain Casey Brown, an American intelligence officer stationed in the province.


The police force did not perform much better. Commanders deserted their checkpoints, allowing the Taliban to regain control of the road, which they laced with homemade bombs.

Some police robbed stores in local villages. Shopkeepers in one village armed themselves with axes to fend off officers who were looting their premises.

Within weeks of leaving, the Americans redeployed troops in the valley to keep an eye on the Afghans.

The Nato planners’ revised timetable requires the approval of the Afghan government, which is expected to announce within weeks when the next wave of provinces will be handed over.

Jalalabad, the capital of Nangarhar province in the east, is expected to be transferred to the Afghans by the end of the year along with six other districts, despite a strong insurgent presence.

The city was the scene of a siege this year when gunmen and suicide bombers stormed a bank, killing at least 40 people and wounding more than 70. Closed-circuit television footage showed gunmen, believed to belong to the Haqqani network, executing customers.

Wardak province, where Taliban fighters shot down a Chinook helicopter and killed 22 Navy Seals in August, will be handed over by the end of next year if the Nato document is approved.

The southern province of Helmand would continue to be handed over district by district.

Kandahar, the Taliban’s spiritual homeland, would be among the last to come under Afghan control.

The final two to be transferred would be the violent southeastern provinces of Khost and Paktia. These are home to the Haqqani network — Afghanistan’s most lethal insurgent group, which has been the target of American drone strikes and recent ground operations.

“We have to be out of the country at the end of 2014. There’s no other option,” said a senior Nato official. “We’re saying the transfers are based on conditions on the ground but really we’re working to a timetable. There’s not much room for choice.”
....and this was the story in the Marine Corps Times a month ago, coming out of Sangin......yup, Uncle Sam's Misguided Children have without doubt tamed the place.......ooh-rah....
Corpsmen with 1/5 Marines at FOB Jackson in Sangin render aid to Afghan soldiers wounded in a car bomb Sept. 8. (AP Photo)

There are 65 corpsmen assigned to 1st Battalion, 5th Marines, in Sangin, Afghanistan, the majority of whom are on their first deployments, and it’s the nature of the beast that many will have seen their first casualties on the battlefield on this rotation.


The corpsmen in this picture, Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class Alberto Cisneros and Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class Richard Erfurth, are two of the more experienced corpsmen at the 1/5 Battalion Aid Station. They are treating Afghan soldiers wounded Sept. 8 in a bombing near FOB Jackson, the 1/5 headquarters in Sangin. I met them when I was there in July.

As Cisneros told me, there is a first time when every corpsman finds out just how hard it is to see a wounded Marine fighting for his life.

Unfortunately, the bad guys in this area have planted thousands of bombs in the ground where Marines from 1/5 go on patrol. The grunts find a lot of the bombs but sometimes the bombs find them first and these corpsmen have had to deal with multiple amputations

To keep things light, their humor can be dark.

Take Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class David Smith. He’s on his first deployment and seems to have quickly realized how dark humor can keep it real. He changed the lyrics to “Your Love” by The Outfield and, using his rifle as a stand-in guitar, sang it for me as I videotaped him at the aid station. It made everyone laugh, but still underscored the raw reality, the dangers he and every Marine face when walking around in Sangin
 
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goatrutar

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#11
And another case of the yanks royally pissing off the locals thereby creating, you guessed it more insurgents.

0311, I have come to the conclusion the you are the biggest ******** that god ever shoveled guts into.

Hang yourself.
 

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