Victora Cross for Iraq?

#1
If already posted I cannot find it:

Was in Saturdays 'Daily Mail' but I can find no online referance other than the Channel News Asia:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/137018/1/.html

LONDON : A British soldier who braved gunfire to rescue dozens of comrades in southern Iraq is to receive the first Victoria Cross, the military's top award for bravery, issued in 23 years, a report said on Saturday.

Private Johnston Barry, an armoured vehicle driver from the Princess of Wales Royal Regiment, has been approved for the honour by the Ministry of Defence, the Daily Mail newspaper said.

The 24-year-old, who was born in Grenada in the West Indies, was part of a British convoy attacked in Al-Amarah, southern Iraq, in May last year, the paper said.

He smashed his burning vehicle through a barricade to force an escape route and dragged free his unconscious platoon commander before returning under heavy gunfire a number of other times to rescue more wounded.

A few days later, Barry saved more British troops during another ambush, suffering head injuries himself and being flown back home.

If Barry's receipt of the Victoria Cross, or VC, is formally approved it will be the first such bravery award since 1982, when two British soldiers were honoured for their actions in the Falklands War against Argentina.

Both the Falklands medals were awarded posthumously. Historians have estimated that such is the level of bravery necessary to receive a VC that the chances of survival are only around one in 10.

Awarded 1,354 times since 1856 for outstanding gallantry in the face of enemy action, every VC is made by London jewellers Hancocks from the bronze of two cannons captured from the Russian army during the Crimean War. - AFP
 
#2
Without casting any aspertions whatever on the valour of the proposed recipient or his deserving of the award, but purely as a matter of protocol. Can the VC be awarded during what we are constantly being told is not a war?
 
#3
I thought we were told that Op Corporate wasn't a war either. But at least they called it a conflict.
 
#4
Yes, strangely enough echos of the Lady saying just that returned to me a few seconds after I posted said.
 
#5
If there is any truth in this story...... bet he gets it on 4 May... lots of pictures with Tony and Geoff. Sorry what's the widely rumoured date of the election?


A shame really because from the versions I have heard of this event the geezer deserves one.
 
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#6
I think we should keep our mouths shut on this one. There are good reasons to think that several high awards from the Falklands were downgraded as the result of the Sun breaching an agreed embargo - a couple of days before the Falklands honours list they reported there were to be six VCs awarded and named the recipients - and I would not want to prejudice anybody's chance of being decorated for bravery.
 
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Biscuits_Brown said:
Without casting any aspertions whatever on the valour of the proposed recipient or his deserving of the award, but purely as a matter of protocol. Can the VC be awarded during what we are constantly being told is not a war?
The criteria for the VC and MC is "in action against the enemy" which is why Tpr Finney was awarded GC, not the VC he deserved.

MC's have been awarded since the end of 'the war' so since they are awarded under the same criteria regarding the 'enemy' i assume that must mean its ok.

Well deserved by all accounts.
 
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chickenpunk said:
I think we should keep our mouths shut on this one. There are good reasons to think that several high awards from the Falklands were downgraded as the result of the Sun breaching an agreed embargo - a couple of days before the Falklands honours list they reported there were to be six VCs awarded and named the recipients - and I would not want to prejudice anybody's chance of being decorated for bravery.
In that case think about deleting or locking the thread?

Daily Mail published article on Saturday, so damage may have already been done!
 

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#10
Sprog,

Trooper Finney got a very richly deserved GC. He did not meet the criterea for the the VC, therefor he did not desrve one. The GC ranks the same as the VC its just for different things.
 
#11
VC, he Got a VC, absloutly fan 'kin' tastic. :D :D :D
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#12
has anyone on here ever put someone forward for an award?
If you had that youd know that the CO of this blokes unit could shout till hes blue in the face about putting him up for a VC, you dont put someone forward for a specific award, you put them forward for 'an award' and it is up to the Ceremonial Secretariat in the Cabinet Office which one they actually get.
Sorry to disillusion.
Hope hes gets something massive though.
 
#13
I hope the guy gets what he deserves - many don't.

On the subject of press release/leaks/briefings, why can't the news be released in one go - and Officially !?.

OK, it's not a new thing (somebody obviously let the Sun in on the loop in 1982), but it happens more and more. The news yesterday morning was full of bits about the Deepcut report, quoting it word for word. OK - give them a preview so they can ask sensible questions at the official release, but put them under an embargo on passing it on to Joe Public or anyone else.

I recall the BBC sacked that sneering turd Michael Cole for releasing details of the Queen's Christmas speech when he was Court Correspondent.
 
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whiffler said:
On the subject of press release/leaks/briefings, why can't the news be released in one go - and Officially !?.

OK, it's not a new thing (somebody obviously let the Sun in on the loop in 1982), but it happens more and more.
The system used to be - and still is to some extent - that the press would voluntarily agree to an embargo and would then get news early to give them time to prepare their material for publication to coincide with the official release, which seems fair enough to me. However, papers like the Sun began to use the early release material as a basis for digging up a story themselves, i.e. they weren't using the embargoed stuff, they'd got the information independently... yeah right :roll: The problem was, getting in first with the news has such massive financial implications re circulation and advertising that a tabloid editor couldn't afford to sit on a good story.

So, once again the red tops corrupted a working system and led to what happens now. Politicians, civil servants, senior military personnel etc etc etc leak material to 'friendly' journalists for personal or political advantage.
 
#15
Well done on him. And hopefully it will highlight that the Brit AOR is not the 'cosy corner' that many seem to think.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's hijacked by Buff-Hoon and pals with a 'peoples' hero' slant on it though. I hope that doesn't happen but given the PR manipulation of the current lot I wouldn't be surprised.
Be funny if it's awarded and there's an empty space where a Telic medal should be....
 
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sknn said:
Sprog,

Trooper Finney got a very richly deserved GC. He did not meet the criterea for the the VC, therefor he did not desrve one. The GC ranks the same as the VC its just for different things.
Unless the spams are reclassified as "the enemy" :wink:
 
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Benjaminw1 said:
sknn said:
Sprog,

Trooper Finney got a very richly deserved GC. He did not meet the criterea for the the VC, therefor he did not desrve one. The GC ranks the same as the VC its just for different things.
Unless the spams are reclassified as "the enemy" :wink:
Agreed, that was the point i was making. Tpr Finney was awarded the GC and not the VC because he was not 'in action against the enemy'.

Perhaps the criteria should be changed to 'in action' to cover such eventualities?
 
#18
I have just seen this on an international (US-based) military forum:


British Army soldier Private Johnson Beharry stands in front of a representation of victoria Cross (VC) at a news briefing to announce that he will be awarded the VC - the highest medal for bravery awarded in the British armed forces - in London, March 17, 2005. Beharry, who serves with the Princess of Wales Royal Regiment, will receive his medal for actions on duty in Iraq (news - web sites) in 2004, and is the first VC recipient for 23 years, and the first living recipient since 1965. REUTERS/Toby Melville NOT FOR PUBLICATION OR BROADCAST BEFORE 0001 HOURS GMT FRIDAY 18 MARCH 2005
Clearly in breach of the embargo terms of a press release. Let's hope this isn't another leak and is genuine info this time.
 
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Plastic Squaddie said:
I have just seen this on an international (US-based) military forum:


British Army soldier Private Johnson Beharry stands in front of a representation of victoria Cross (VC) at a news briefing to announce that he will be awarded the VC - the highest medal for bravery awarded in the British armed forces - in London, March 17, 2005. Beharry, who serves with the Princess of Wales Royal Regiment, will receive his medal for actions on duty in Iraq (news - web sites) in 2004, and is the first VC recipient for 23 years, and the first living recipient since 1965. REUTERS/Toby Melville NOT FOR PUBLICATION OR BROADCAST BEFORE 0001 HOURS GMT FRIDAY 18 MARCH 2005
Clearly in breach of the embargo terms of a press release. Let's hope this isn't another leak and is genuine info this time.
Well, whether he gets it or not, he's clearly a brave, brave man with balls of steel.
 
#20
Exactly - I sincerely hope that this is purely an early leak of an official news brief by a News Agency rather than an elaborate hoax. If it is correct, no doubt it will be headline news tomorrow.

Fingers crossed.
 

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