Victims may decide inmates fate

#1
Victims of crime could be given a say on whether offenders should be freed from jail, under plans being considered by Home Secretary John Reid.
It follows a series of controversies over the early release of criminals.

The Home Office confirmed a Sunday Telegraph report that Mr Reid would raise the idea in a speech to the Parole Board for England and Wales.

The paper said Mr Reid wanted to "rebalance" the system and show more concern for public safety.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5003192.stm
 
#2
Yet another populist headline from nu-labour that will be forgotten about in 5mins time.

Headlines, headlines, headlines! :roll:
 
#3
bollox

I reckon most victims are even less placed to do the equivelent of passing sentence than some out of touch judge. How about the jury (12 muppets) being involved in sentencing?

Also would this wash with human rights? Oh yeah... tony don't like them no more...
 
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#4
If the original punishment fitted the crime, then would be be in this situation. Bring back hanging. I know it's not to everyones taste and that the death penalty is considered by some to be barbaric, but it's less barbaric than blowing up a train or a bus full of people you don't know, just so you can make a political statement and it's less barbaric than kicking a man to death outside a pub.

Let's introduce hard labour. Get some chain gangs out to work, dayglo orange overalls and shackles. Make them work. Don't work, don't eat. Simple.

Life sentence? Should mean life. Balls to what happens to them psychologically when they are inside. Lock them down. We might balk at the thought of how some far eastern countries deal with thier criminals, but at least they deal with them.

I expect some comments of opposition and a few insults but f*ck you I don't care. I'd rather see a paedophile swing from a scaffold than allow them to repeat offend. Repeat Offenders? Do we have them in this country?
 
#5
Biscuits_AB said:
If the original punishment fitted the crime, then would be be in this situation. Bring back hanging. I know it's not to everyones taste and that the death penalty is considered by some to be barbaric, but it's less barbaric than blowing up a train or a bus full of people you don't know, just so you can make a political statement and it's less barbaric than kicking a man to death outside a pub.

Let's introduce hard labour. Get some chain gangs out to work, dayglo orange overalls and shackles. Make them work. Don't work, don't eat. Simple.

Life sentence? Should mean life. Balls to what happens to them psychologically when they are inside. Lock them down. We might balk at the thought of how some far eastern countries deal with thier criminals, but at least they deal with them.

I expect some comments of opposition and a few insults but f*ck you I don't care. I'd rather see a paedophile swing from a scaffold than allow them to repeat offend. Repeat Offenders? Do we have them in this country?
And you call me 'hardline'? ;)

Agree with every word, mind you...
 
#6
And individuals deemed to be dangerous can apply once they have served their "tariff". A parole panel, in either case, must decide whether the person is safe to be released.
Say no more!! :twisted:
 
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Darth_Doctrinus said:
Biscuits_AB said:
If the original punishment fitted the crime, then would be be in this situation. Bring back hanging. I know it's not to everyones taste and that the death penalty is considered by some to be barbaric, but it's less barbaric than blowing up a train or a bus full of people you don't know, just so you can make a political statement and it's less barbaric than kicking a man to death outside a pub.

Let's introduce hard labour. Get some chain gangs out to work, dayglo orange overalls and shackles. Make them work. Don't work, don't eat. Simple.

Life sentence? Should mean life. Balls to what happens to them psychologically when they are inside. Lock them down. We might balk at the thought of how some far eastern countries deal with thier criminals, but at least they deal with them.

I expect some comments of opposition and a few insults but f*ck you I don't care. I'd rather see a paedophile swing from a scaffold than allow them to repeat offend. Repeat Offenders? Do we have them in this country?
And you call me 'hardline'? ;)

Agree with every word, mind you...
Hard but fair.
 
#8
Biscuits_AB said:
If the original punishment fitted the crime, then would be be in this situation. Bring back hanging. I know it's not to everyones taste and that the death penalty is considered by some to be barbaric, but it's less barbaric than blowing up a train or a bus full of people you don't know, just so you can make a political statement and it's less barbaric than kicking a man to death outside a pub.

Let's introduce hard labour. Get some chain gangs out to work, dayglo orange overalls and shackles. Make them work. Don't work, don't eat. Simple.

Life sentence? Should mean life. Balls to what happens to them psychologically when they are inside. Lock them down. We might balk at the thought of how some far eastern countries deal with thier criminals, but at least they deal with them.

I expect some comments of opposition and a few insults but f*ck you I don't care. I'd rather see a paedophile swing from a scaffold than allow them to repeat offend. Repeat Offenders? Do we have them in this country?
As much as I agree about the death sentence, i think this country is too far gone to even vaguely hint at reinitiating it. However the Hard Labour idea, why not. Make them feckers sweat for the good of the state. But what could we make them do?
 
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Oneshot said:
As much as I agree about the death sentence, i think this country is too far gone to even vaguely hint at reinitiating it. However the Hard Labour idea, why not. Make them feckers sweat for the good of the state. But what could we make them do?
Perhaps we could make them do all of the jobs that the Home Office claim will only normally be taken up by illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. The ones that Joe British public wouldn't touch.....

That way, we kill two birds with one stone.

It works in America doesn't it?? :twisted:
 
#10
Oneshot said:
As much as I agree about the death sentence, i think this country is too far gone to even vaguely hint at reinitiating it. However the Hard Labour idea, why not. Make them feckers sweat for the good of the state. But what could we make them do?
Mine clearance in Angola???
 
#11
Oneshot said:
As much as I agree about the death sentence, i think this country is too far gone to even vaguely hint at reinitiating it. However the Hard Labour idea, why not. Make them feckers sweat for the good of the state. But what could we make them do?
We wouldn't be allowed to do it. As an ex-highranking copper of my acquaintance put it "European Human Rights legislation has holed this country below the waterline. When it comes to law and order, we're fcuked".

Oh great.
 
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One way to stop prisoners getting out early:

Make it possible to sue Parole boards if someone they release early reoffends, or better still , make them criminally liable for aiding and abetting whatever crime is committed, as, if they hadn't let them out, it wouldnt have happened.

Then sit back and watch these left wing do-gooding knobjockeys on the parole boards backpedal like f**k
 
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You could make them and any other 'professional' involved in and after the 'convicts' release, sign an agreement that if he/she commits an offence after his/her release, that the 'professional' will do the same amount of time as the 'con' gets when he goes back in. They wouldn't be so quick to let the f*ckers out in the first place.
 
#14
Nice idea Tone, but what about the sad fecker who after being told he has to stay in jail another 5 years by old Mrs Probesher whom he robbed some time back, then gets out and goes round to said ol'lady's place and does her over?!!
Nah sorry Mr Bliar, it isn't going to work.
I tell you what will: Hand over to Gordon, lets all have a few years of fun watching him feck it all up, then we can all vote someone new in!!!
 
#15
Biscuits_AB said:
If the original punishment fitted the crime, then would be be in this situation. Bring back hanging. I know it's not to everyones taste and that the death penalty is considered by some to be barbaric, but it's less barbaric than blowing up a train or a bus full of people you don't know, just so you can make a political statement and it's less barbaric than kicking a man to death outside a pub.

Let's introduce hard labour. Get some chain gangs out to work, dayglo orange overalls and shackles. Make them work. Don't work, don't eat. Simple.

Life sentence? Should mean life. Balls to what happens to them psychologically when they are inside. Lock them down. We might balk at the thought of how some far eastern countries deal with thier criminals, but at least they deal with them.

I expect some comments of opposition and a few insults but f*ck you I don't care. I'd rather see a paedophile swing from a scaffold than allow them to repeat offend. Repeat Offenders? Do we have them in this country?
Biccies old chap, - don't agree with some of the things you say but on this one I'll vote for you if this is your manifesto!!
 
#16
The whole process has to be unemotional - victims are not the right people to decide on the sentencing.

HOWEVER

The victims should be able to see the criminal serving a sentence that is commensurate with the offence committed. There should be no early release, good behaviour inside = released on time, bad behaviour inside = additional time to be served. If a criminal is deemed to have not been rehabilitated they aren't released. If a criminal does not show any remorse then they aren't released.

Prison should be a punishment and be able to rehabilitate. If necessary split a sentence into 2 parts with the focus at the beginning being on punishment, towards the end that focus switches to rehabilitation to ensure that the criminal is given a sensible chance of having a law abiding life on release.

Where a life sentence is given it is life no parole. As they aren't going to be released there is no need for a rehab phase of the sentence (although a course in woodwork would be useful, as they could build their own coffin).

Where prisoners riot they will reap what they sew. Therefor if they have a dirty protest or burn their mattresses they have to keep them.

Prisoners should not have access to facilities that are classed as luxuries, so terrestrial TV only and no games consoles. A comprehensive and well stocked library should be provided to allow them to have something to do to pass the time.

As far as re-offending goes it should be 3 strike and life no parole.

If prisons fill up build more!

A few decent sentences handed out will soon end the contempt that the criminal fraternity show the judicial process.
 
#17
What can we do with the cons?

Chain them to a hamster type wheel that is hooked up to a generator so they can pedal the wheel and provide some free electricity to an OAP who is sat at home freezing or in darkness because they have no money.
 
#18
If the original punishment fitted the crime, then would be be in this situation. Bring back hanging. I know it's not to everyones taste and that the death penalty is considered by some to be barbaric, but it's less barbaric than blowing up a train or a bus full of people you don't know, just so you can make a political statement and it's less barbaric than kicking a man to death outside a pub.

Let's introduce hard labour. Get some chain gangs out to work, dayglo orange overalls and shackles. Make them work. Don't work, don't eat. Simple.

Life sentence? Should mean life. Balls to what happens to them psychologically when they are inside. Lock them down. We might balk at the thought of how some far eastern countries deal with thier criminals, but at least they deal with them.

I expect some comments of opposition and a few insults but f*ck you I don't care. I'd rather see a paedophile swing from a scaffold than allow them to repeat offend. Repeat Offenders? Do we have them in this country?
Hardcore. I like it Biscuits_AB :D
 
#19
Biscuits_AB said:
If the original punishment fitted the crime, then would be be in this situation. Bring back hanging. I know it's not to everyones taste and that the death penalty is considered by some to be barbaric, but it's less barbaric than blowing up a train or a bus full of people you don't know, just so you can make a political statement and it's less barbaric than kicking a man to death outside a pub.

Let's introduce hard labour. Get some chain gangs out to work, dayglo orange overalls and shackles. Make them work. Don't work, don't eat. Simple.

Life sentence? Should mean life. Balls to what happens to them psychologically when they are inside. Lock them down. We might balk at the thought of how some far eastern countries deal with thier criminals, but at least they deal with them.

I expect some comments of opposition and a few insults but f*ck you I don't care. I'd rather see a paedophile swing from a scaffold than allow them to repeat offend. Repeat Offenders? Do we have them in this country?
spot on biscuits.
i'm generaly against the death penalty for manslaughter and singular murders, and but for multiple murderers there can be no other sentance, swing 'em.

CRIME AND PUNISMENT in todays society?................ there is no real effective deterrent punisment. when they get sentenced it shouldnt be just about serving time, it should also be about work done and progress to character reform of the individual, only reference/encyclopedias type books as a 'recreational pursuit' to begin, and teach them to read them. privileges like TV and access to better food should be earned, no time off for 'good behaviour, but time ON for 'bad behaviour'

all those little chav petty crims should be in work camps/farms. digging spuds in all weathers, getting educated in social responsibility and catching up on basic schooling skills.
release from sentance should be mesured by reform of the person and against the possibility of him to offend again, not by time spent, continure to act like a cnut and the longer you stay in untill 'attitude adjustment' takes place.
repeat offenders for the same crime should automatically be given double the original sentance.
 

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