Victims Army Pension is Denied !!

#1
In an effort to help offset the costs of the £1k chairs & £250K spent on paintings in Main Building the MoD today showed more cost saving measures.

This is terrible sad given the situation this poor wee woman is in and the MoD not recognising her as a partner. I hope that the local MP, the British Legion or SSAFA help her to get this incorrect decision reversed.

What is the current standpoint on recognising hetrosexual long term partners/common law wives/husbands ?

Good example of the Military Covenant being broken thinks me.......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7208407.stm
 
#2
We have all been aware for a long time that the Army does not recognise non-married heterosexual couples. It will not do so until forced to by Govt, probably European, legislation.
 
#3
was he in the forces at the time of the incident? only it says he was a former soldier, once youve left are you still entitled to a widowers pension should things such as this happen? Surely its compensation they should get.
 
#5
sad state of affairs, but as an ex-serviceman is there an entitlement for benefits or pensions if things happen after youve left? should be but its hard enough to get things while youre still in.
 
#6
Would you be happy for her to claim her share of his pension if they had separated in the same way that a divorcee would be entitled to part of his pension. If so your righteousness is sound, if not... well...

Is this the whole story? Is the child entitled to some of his pension?
 
#7
He must have known she wasnt covered and he chose not to marry her. He could also have chosen to take out life insurance. I feel sorry for her but it is really his own fault.
 
#8
barbs said:
Would you be happy for her to claim her share of his pension if they had separated in the same way that a divorcee would be entitled to part of his pension. If so your righteousness is sound, if not... well...
Is this the whole story? Is the child entitled to some of his pension?
Barbs (my bold) I don't think that's the issue here although I see where you are coming from.

I believe that his kids may be entitled to some of his pension - 25% per child up to a maximum of 50% rings a bell but don't quote me on that.

The MOD made a rod for it's own back when giving cash to the widow of the SF guy killed in Sierra Leone!

Jockster
 
#9
Why hasn't she got a job? Terribly sorry for her loss but nobody is owed a living.
 
#10
Dog-faced-soldier said:
We have all been aware for a long time that the Army does not recognise non-married heterosexual couples. It will not do so until forced to by Govt, probably European, legislation.
Doesnt help in Davy Caldwell's case, but surviving unmarried partners who can demonstrate a long-term substantial relationship can now be eligible for benefits under AFPS05 or AFCS.
 
#11
Ord_Sgt said:
Why hasn't she got a job? Terribly sorry for her loss but nobody is owed a living.
May be bringing up 3 kids?

She didn't ask to be a single parent.

Jockster
 
#12
Dog-faced-soldier said:
He must have known she wasnt covered and he chose not to marry her. He could also have chosen to take out life insurance. I feel sorry for her but it is really his own fault.
I totally agree. Anyone with an once of common sense in his job should think the 'what if' question. In fact, they should be made to think 'what if'. Am I mistaken in thinking bods still have to make a will, like it or not, before deployment on ops?

So, madam, you're bloke's dead, you're left with a kid and you think the tax payer should help you more than they already are? The kid must be at school by know, get off your arrse and get a job like the poor grieving widows/partners/girlfriends with kids of people murderd just because of their religion, let alone their job, have had to do.
 
#13
Jockster915 said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Why hasn't she got a job? Terribly sorry for her loss but nobody is owed a living.
May be bringing up 3 kids?

She didn't ask to be a single parent.

Jockster
Sorry to be pedantic but why does that stop her working? I'm not entirely unsympathetic to her problems but it comes across as if she's somehow different than the rest of us and deserves something for nothing.
 
#14
Hopefully the will be some movement on this case as yer wee woman is only on £79 a week and is finding it tight. His last words were that he loved his family....
 
#15
No benefits guru but the fact that she's on Income Support suggests that she may have a job?

I standby to be corrected and receive a world of s**t.

Also would we be saying the same if this was a widow of someone killed in Iraq/Afghanistan and left in the same position.

Jockster
 
#16
Ord_Sgt said:
Jockster915 said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Why hasn't she got a job? Terribly sorry for her loss but nobody is owed a living.
May be bringing up 3 kids?

She didn't ask to be a single parent.

Jockster
Sorry to be pedantic but why does that stop her working? I'm not entirely unsympathetic to her problems but it comes across as if she's somehow different than the rest of us and deserves something for nothing.
Whole different can of worms, things I often wonder are, why are the teens of today the way they are?, why is there such disrespect?, why is there a yob culture? Could it be because there is not as much parental contact, as our culture and house prices force both parents out to work and create the latchkey/childminder society we live in?
 
#17
IT_GEEK said:
Whole different can of worms, things I often wonder are, why are the teens of today the way they are?, why is there such disrespect?, why is there a yob culture? Could it be because there is not as much parental contact, as our culture and house prices force both parents out to work and create the latchkey/childminder society we live in?
Hear Hear.

Jockster
 
#18
IT_GEEK said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Jockster915 said:
Ord_Sgt said:
Why hasn't she got a job? Terribly sorry for her loss but nobody is owed a living.
May be bringing up 3 kids?

She didn't ask to be a single parent.

Jockster
Sorry to be pedantic but why does that stop her working? I'm not entirely unsympathetic to her problems but it comes across as if she's somehow different than the rest of us and deserves something for nothing.
Whole different can of worms, things I often wonder are, why are the teens of today the way they are?, why is there such disrespect?, why is there a yob culture? Could it be because there is not as much parental contact, as our culture and house prices force both parents out to work and create the latchkey/childminder society we live in?
Speak for yourself. If you can't afford to support your family, don't have one. :roll:
 
#19
Ord_Sgt said:
Speak for yourself. If you can't afford to support your family, don't have one. :roll:
Quite sure she could afford to have a family before her husband was killed. Now if we are saying that you shouldn't have a family on the off chance that the breadwinner is killed before the kids fly the roost then there goes humanity.

Jockster
 

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