Veterans Day Germany

#2
Am I the only one thinking 'this will get me a tick in the box on my next annual report'?
 

Alsacien

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#3
Ord_Sgt said:
Am I the only one thinking 'this will get me a tick in the box on my next annual report'?
For listening to the AGC band I would expect more compensation....

Reading the programme it seems as attractive as flying Ryanair..
 
#4
They really are having a laugh with this !

Fancy a casual fun Saturday out at the BFG Veterans day event ? Yes ?
Right, to go:
1. Fill out an application form in advance for the scrutineers committee.
2. Once screened for criteria fit & approved you can come to the party.
3. Remember to bring along your pfz (polizeiliches führungszeugnis) criminal records bureau check certificate. Seriously, that`s what it says in the instructions.
4. Just do as you`re told once you get there, just like old times.
5. The schedule looks like an extract from standing orders or what western reporters get handed by their politbureau minder when they arrive in North Korea to do a documentary.

It is not advertised on the BFG veterans web page & the event is less than 3 weeks away.

Is all this deliberate perhaps ?

The GOC is going to have an audience of 1 in the cinema.

Looks like a concerted attempt to make sure it is a complete disaster so they do not have to bother going through the motions with this veterans initiative charade any more. Who`s bright idea was this, it`s just causing a whole load of extra work, smiling, asking them questions about their family, what they do, having to act like you`re really interested.
 
#5
I wonder if itll be as good as the Veterans Day BBQ the Med Regt held in Munster a couple of years ago, they didnt invite any veterans despite there being 4 RAMC veterans (WO1, WO2 & 2 x Cpls) actually working in the barracks (and one of the Retd Cpls was actually married to a 1 Med Regt SSM!)
 
#8
Has this whole 'Veterans' thing really taken off or is it a case of the Army merely being seen to be doing the 'right thing'? I have to say that whilst I wouldn't dig at those who feel the need, personally I just can't be bothered with it.
 
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#9
school_for_scoundrels said:
They really are having a laugh with this !

Fancy a casual fun Saturday out at the BFG Veterans day event ? Yes ?
Right, to go:
1. Fill out an application form in advance for the scrutineers committee.
2. Once screened for criteria fit & approved you can come to the party.
3. Remember to bring along your pfz (polizeiliches führungszeugnis) criminal records bureau check certificate. Seriously, that`s what it says in the instructions.
4. Just do as you`re told once you get there, just like old times.
5. The schedule looks like an extract from standing orders or what western reporters get handed by their politbureau minder when they arrive in North Korea to do a documentary.

It is not advertised on the BFG veterans web page & the event is less than 3 weeks away.

Is all this deliberate perhaps ?

The GOC is going to have an audience of 1 in the cinema.

Looks like a concerted attempt to make sure it is a complete disaster so they do not have to bother going through the motions with this veterans initiative charade any more. Who`s bright idea was this, it`s just causing a whole load of extra work, smiling, asking them questions about their family, what they do, having to act like you`re really interested.
Which you have to pay for and get from Rathaus :D
 
#10
Rufus-T-Firefly said:
Has this whole 'Veterans' thing really taken off or is it a case of the Army merely being seen to be doing the 'right thing'? I have to say that whilst I wouldn't dig at those who feel the need, personally I just can't be bothered with it.
I regret to say, that I think you are quite right.

In many ways it gives me an impression of them, grudgingly, just wanting to be seen to be going through the motions of trying to do the right thing for political correctness.

Depressingly, I have the feeling that it will be quietly allowed to drop again at the right time, when it suits them to do so

Many, I have spoken to, like yourself, just can`t be bothered with it, probably because they suspect, what I think above, to be true. For those who do wish to participate, they make it so complicated & awkward one would think it is almost deliberately designed to put you off.

I have had an application in for one of these veterans passes for 19 WEEKS ! so long in fact, for something you would think was relatively straightforward & simple, that I am wondering why I ever bothered in the first instance, they are making such a meal of it.
 
#11
blindfire said:
school_for_scoundrels said:
They really are having a laugh with this !

Fancy a casual fun Saturday out at the BFG Veterans day event ? Yes ?
Right, to go:
1. Fill out an application form in advance for the scrutineers committee.
2. Once screened for criteria fit & approved you can come to the party.
3. Remember to bring along your pfz (polizeiliches führungszeugnis) criminal records bureau check certificate. Seriously, that`s what it says in the instructions.
4. Just do as you`re told once you get there, just like old times.
5. The schedule looks like an extract from standing orders or what western reporters get handed by their politbureau minder when they arrive in North Korea to do a documentary.

It is not advertised on the BFG veterans web page & the event is less than 3 weeks away.

Is all this deliberate perhaps ?

The GOC is going to have an audience of 1 in the cinema.

Looks like a concerted attempt to make sure it is a complete disaster so they do not have to bother going through the motions with this veterans initiative charade any more. Who`s bright idea was this, it`s just causing a whole load of extra work, smiling, asking them questions about their family, what they do, having to act like you`re really interested.
Which you have to pay for and get from Rathaus :D
Ah, you`ve been there too !

Who the hell gets the idea to invite people along to a social event & suggests they just bring along a copy of their Criminal Records Bureau check to get in ! Whoever dreamt up that one must be in the Barmy Army.
 
#13
We just don't seem to do 'Veterans' like the Americans do. I just don't think that the Brits are that bothered really. It wasn't that long ago that there was a bit of an outcry about failure to recognise previous service, demands for ID cards which would let you use the NAAFI (what the f*ck for is beyond me as most serving personnel complain like f*ck about it, so why would you want to go back there as a civvy?), badges...Christ, what is it with f*cking badges? and car passes to get back into places that you couldn't wait to get out of when you were serving.

Admittedly, it's not my thing personally and for those of you who are into it, crack on by all means, but I just don't see what it achieves apart from annoying the sh*t out of people half your age who are still serving and have better things to do with their lives than to entertain a bus load of fat blokes in blazers and berets.

As for the complex approach to this event...you'd have to ask yourself whether it was actually worth going to?
 
#14
Rufus-T-Firefly said:
We just don't seem to do 'Veterans' like the Americans do. I just don't think that the Brits are that bothered really. It wasn't that long ago that there was a bit of an outcry about failure to recognise previous service, demands for ID cards which would let you use the NAAFI (what the f*ck for is beyond me as most serving personnel complain like f*ck about it, so why would you want to go back there as a civvy?), badges...Christ, what is it with f*cking badges? and car passes to get back into places that you couldn't wait to get out of when you were serving.

Admittedly, it's not my thing personally and for those of you who are into it, crack on by all means, but I just don't see what it achieves apart from annoying the sh*t out of people half your age who are still serving and have better things to do with their lives than to entertain a bus load of fat blokes in blazers and berets.

As for the complex approach to this event...you'd have to ask yourself whether it was actually worth going to?
Parag.1. You`re quite right, I could`nt more.
Parag.2 Annoying the sh 1 t out of people half your age is the whole point of being a veteran. To do that you need to be well fed & wear the veterans uniform.
Parag.3 I have asked myself & concluded it is not worth going.
Thankyou.
 
#15
Having only left last year and still working in the camp i was serving in i never feel the urge to go and see anything remotely green.as yet.
Maybe in a decade or so when i get a bit more sentimental, i do how ever wear my veterans badge daily at work with pride.
 
#16
They're making it difficult, as they want to avoid a situation where the RSM/CO gets called 'mate' by the ex bedding storeman. That really wouldn't do would it?
 
#17
blindfire said:
school_for_scoundrels said:
3. Remember to bring along your pfz (polizeiliches führungszeugnis) criminal records bureau check certificate. Seriously, that`s what it says in the instructions.
Which you have to pay for and get from Rathaus :D
In fairness to them, it doesn't say that at all. It says to bring one 'in lieu' of one of a Veteran's Pass, which would make sense given the security issues. It would also help keep out those who would steal another's valour or who would simply tip up for a cheap pint or so and there are plenty of those parasites in and around German Garrisons.
 
#18
Rufus-T-Firefly said:
blindfire said:
school_for_scoundrels said:
3. Remember to bring along your pfz (polizeiliches führungszeugnis) criminal records bureau check certificate. Seriously, that`s what it says in the instructions.
Which you have to pay for and get from Rathaus :D
In fairness to them, it doesn't say that at all. It says to bring one 'in lieu' of one of a Veteran's Pass, which would make sense given the security issues. It would also help keep out those who would steal another's valour or who would simply tip up for a cheap pint or so and there are plenty of those parasites in and around German Garrisons.
Oh come along now, it does say that. What numbskull would dream of asking guests to bring along a copy of their criminal records bureau check in lieu of anything ? So it`s now only valourous veterans in need of a cheap pint who should attend. In that case, just show us your Victoria Cross then, if you want to keep the numbers down.

They should be welcoming ANYBODY who wants to go along, participate & show their respect. Their Pre-Registration form, would`nt even allow the immediate family of those who died as a result of service to attend. But I suppose their sacrifice does`nt qualify them to participate in veteran`s day either.

No, this is just a ham-fisted joke, if it was`nt so insulting. Security my arrse, they let everybody from the town in on open days & any Tom,Dick & Harry nationality of delivery driver can get in any day of the week on the strength of a driving licence, passport or personalausweis.

So stop putting up a smoke screen for them, there is no excuse & this kind of approach is why many genuine people are giving the vets initiative a wide berth, because the way they go about it, often just adds insult to injury.
 
#19
school_for_scoundrels said:
Rufus-T-Firefly said:
blindfire said:
school_for_scoundrels said:
3. Remember to bring along your pfz (polizeiliches führungszeugnis) criminal records bureau check certificate. Seriously, that`s what it says in the instructions.
Which you have to pay for and get from Rathaus :D
In fairness to them, it doesn't say that at all. It says to bring one 'in lieu' of one of a Veteran's Pass, which would make sense given the security issues. It would also help keep out those who would steal another's valour or who would simply tip up for a cheap pint or so and there are plenty of those parasites in and around German Garrisons.
Oh come along now, it does say that. What numbskull would dream of asking guests to bring along a copy of their criminal records bureau check in lieu of anything ? So it`s now only valourous veterans in need of a cheap pint who should attend. In that case, just show us your Victoria Cross then, if you want to keep the numbers down.

They should be welcoming ANYBODY who wants to go along, participate & show their respect. Their Pre-Registration form, would`nt even allow the immediate family of those who died as a result of service to attend. But I suppose their sacrifice does`nt qualify them to participate in veteran`s day either.

No, this is just a ham-fisted joke, if it was`nt so insulting. Security my arrse, they let everybody from the town in on open days & any Tom,Dick & Harry nationality of delivery driver can get in any day of the week on the strength of a driving licence, passport or personalausweis.

So stop putting up a smoke screen for them, there is no excuse & this kind of approach is why many genuine people are giving the vets initiative a wide berth, because the way they go about it, often just adds insult to injury.
You need to have a lie down mate.
 
#20
Rufus-T-Firefly said:
school_for_scoundrels said:
Rufus-T-Firefly said:
blindfire said:
school_for_scoundrels said:
3. Remember to bring along your pfz (polizeiliches führungszeugnis) criminal records bureau check certificate. Seriously, that`s what it says in the instructions.
Which you have to pay for and get from Rathaus :D
In fairness to them, it doesn't say that at all. It says to bring one 'in lieu' of one of a Veteran's Pass, which would make sense given the security issues. It would also help keep out those who would steal another's valour or who would simply tip up for a cheap pint or so and there are plenty of those parasites in and around German Garrisons.
Oh come along now, it does say that. What numbskull would dream of asking guests to bring along a copy of their criminal records bureau check in lieu of anything ? So it`s now only valourous veterans in need of a cheap pint who should attend. In that case, just show us your Victoria Cross then, if you want to keep the numbers down.

They should be welcoming ANYBODY who wants to go along, participate & show their respect. Their Pre-Registration form, would`nt even allow the immediate family of those who died as a result of service to attend. But I suppose their sacrifice does`nt qualify them to participate in veteran`s day either.

No, this is just a ham-fisted joke, if it was`nt so insulting. Security my arrse, they let everybody from the town in on open days & any Tom,Dick & Harry nationality of delivery driver can get in any day of the week on the strength of a driving licence, passport or personalausweis.

So stop putting up a smoke screen for them, there is no excuse & this kind of approach is why many genuine people are giving the vets initiative a wide berth, because the way they go about it, often just adds insult to injury.
You need to have a lie down mate.
Thanks, I will do, now that I´ve got that off my chest.

Nothing personal my friend, just do`nt put yourself between me & them, with their bloody, chuffing veterans initiative, it just riles me up. As I say, they just adding insult to injury.
 

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