Venezuela about to go down the tubes...a lesson for Corbyn and the Labour Party perhaps?

(1) Your lies are so transparent. (2) If you were anything but Russian you would be embarrassed, (3) but of course Russians know no shame.

(4) So, under pressure from the religious extremists the communist government had to ban the gay march.

(5) The Cuban Government didn’t have to do any such thing. Even if they did operate any sort of semblance of Demcracy, Protestants makeup less than 5% of the population.
1) Lies? My comments were based on the quotes form the Guardian. Do you thing that this respectable newspaper speards lies?
2) Why should I be embarrased?
3) So from your point of view all Russians are shameless and by contrast the Americans are shameful. I understand your point while don't agree with it.
4) I don't think that all Americans are unable to recognize irony. But sometimes it may happen.
5) As I have noted previously, the Cuban government acts according to the old saying - Divide and rule. It is politically profitable to have a conflict between minorities - sexual and religious.
But what is the role of the US Satates Department that funds the 'religious extremists'? It is not clear.
 
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1) Lies? My comments were based on the quotes form the Guardian. Do you thing that this respectable newspaper speards lies?
They're well known for lying.

2) Why should I be embarrased?
3) So from your point of view all Russians are shameless and by contrast the Americans are shameful. I understand your point while don't agree with it.
4) I don't think that all Americans are unable to recognize irony. But sometimes it may happen.
5) As I have noted previously, the Cuban government acts according to the old saying - Divide and rule. It is politically profitable to have a conflict between minorities - sexual and religious.
But what is the role of the US Satates Department that funds the 'religious extremists'? It is not clear.
 
1) Lies? My comments were based on the quotes form the Guardian. Do you thing that this respectable newspaper speards lies?
2) Why should I be embarrased?
3) So from your point of view all Russians are shameless and by contrast the Americans are shameful. I understand your point while don't agree with it.
4) I don't think that all Americans are unable to recognize irony. But sometimes it may happen.
5) As I have noted previously, the Cuban government acts according to the old saying - Divide and rule. It is politically profitable to have a conflict between minorities - sexual and religious.
But what is the role of the US Satates Department that funds the 'religious extremists'? It is not clear.
How is life on your planet today? It's certainly not as good as here on earth.
 
1) Lies? My comments were based on the quotes form the Guardian. Do you thing that this respectable newspaper speards lies?
2) Why should I be embarrased?
3) So from your point of view all Russians are shameless and by contrast the Americans are shameful. I understand your point while don't agree with it.
4) I don't think that all Americans are unable to recognize irony. But sometimes it may happen.
5) As I have noted previously, the Cuban government acts according to the old saying - Divide and rule. It is politically profitable to have a conflict between minorities - sexual and religious.
But what is the role of the US Satates Department that funds the 'religious extremists'? It is not clear.
1. Yes, lies. You quoted the Guardian, then put your own spin on it. Nowhere in the Guardian article is there a claim that the Cuban Government had to ban the march - those were your words.
2. About telling obvious lies? As a Russian there is no reason to be embarrassed, it is a reflex.
3. In my experience Russians know no shame when it comes to lying, this is correct. Americans have nothing to do with this opinion, and for info, someone who is not shameless is not necessarily shameful.
4. Many Americans do not recognise irony, some do. The relevance of this escapes me.
5. In common with all authoritarian regimes, including your own.
 
1. Yes, lies. You quoted the Guardian, then put your own spin on it. Nowhere in the Guardian article is there a claim that the Cuban Government had to ban the march - those were your words.
2. About telling obvious lies? As a Russian there is no reason to be embarrassed, it is a reflex.
3. In my experience Russians know no shame when it comes to lying, this is correct. Americans have nothing to do with this opinion, and for info, someone who is not shameless is not necessarily shameful.
4. Many Americans do not recognise irony, some do. The relevance of this escapes me.
5. In common with all authoritarian regimes, including your own.
4. Hint. Try to reread my the last posts on this thread as ironical ones. It may help.

Though, if you would like to have a serious discusion then I switch from ironical to analytical mode (so don't quote my previous ironical posts).

Latin American countries are traditionally Catholic ones. But recent decades protestant churches are actively penetrating the region being supported by Washigngton. For exaple in Venezuela Evangelical pastor tried to run for presidency the last year.
Javier Bertucci - Wikipedia
Among his proposals as a candidate is the lifting of exchange control.[15] He has also declared that he would not govern with Chavismo or with the opposition.[16] He has additionally expressed his desire to implement Sunday radio and television channels using the Bible, and converting Venezuelans into "devotional" Christians, and to implement "Christian values".[17] He has positioned himself against same-sex marriage and is in favor of abortion only in medical cases or that compromise the life of the mother.
Protestant churches are very politically active.
Venezuela pastor: church 'opportunities increasing'
Thousands of Venezuelans of all ages, across the entire nation, have marched on the streets in protest of the Nicolás Maduro regime. Scores were shot dead, more were beaten, hundreds rounded up and detained, according to media reports.
As the population dwindles, many leaders have left God of the Harvest Church, where Pastor Richard* and Leah* serve. This couple send their congregation out with a blessing, knowing they take the Gospel with them.
[irony]Btw, what ranks 'pastors' Richard and Leah have in the CIA?[/irony]

Now let's read carefully the article in the Guardian.
Some activists suspect the government may be trying to keep a lid on rightwing political evangelism, whose rapid ascent on the continent in recent years has helped roll back leftwing governments throughout Latin America.
Apparently Cuban covernment tries to bound influence of protestant clerics and uses LGBT community for this purpose. As I wrote previously - Divide and rule.
Also Cuban government tries to avoid riots, open conflicts on the streets of Habana. Or the authorities would have to detain clerical or LGBT activists. In both cases it would be politically damaging.
For Cuban government the gay marches are not a problem as they allowed and even organised them during the last decade.
The National Centre for Sex Education, better known as Cenesex, which had been organising the 12th annual “Conga against Homophobia and Transphobia”, issued a statement last Monday saying that “international and regional tensions” meant the parade could not be carried out.
There is a clear explanation why the authorities prefer not to organise the official gay march.
A second statement added that outside groups wanted to use the conga as a “weapon” against the Communist party. And at a meeting with LGBT activists, authorities claimed the event could “be used by foreign forces as the perfect scene for their agenda”, suggesting that Miami-linked conspirators might attack revellers, compelling the police to make arrests and creating negative publicity.
 
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I'm interesting how earth looks on your planet - as here on the Earth?
Hardy hardy hardy hardy har har.

You living on the Mars, the Jupiter or the Uranus?
 
4. Hint. Try to reread my the last posts on this thread as ironical ones. It may help.

Though, if you would like to have a serious discusion then I switch from ironical to analytical mode (so don't quote my previous ironical posts).

Latin American countries are traditionally Catholic ones. But recent decades protestant churches are actively penetrating the region being supported by Washigngton. For exaple in Venezuela Evangelical pastor tried to run for presidency the last year.
Javier Bertucci - Wikipedia

Protestant churches are very politically active.
Venezuela pastor: church 'opportunities increasing'


[irony]Btw, what ranks 'pastors' Richard and Leah have in the CIA?[/irony]

Now let's read carefully the article in the Guardian.

Apparently Cuban covernment tries to bound influence of protestant clerics and uses LGBT community for this purpose. As I wrote previously - Divide and rule.
Also Cuban government tries to avoid riots, open conflicts on the streets of Habana. Or the authorities would have to detain clerical or LGBT activists. In both cases it would be politically damaging.
For Cuban government the gay marches are not a problem as they allowed and even organised them during the last decade.

There is a clear explanation why the authorities prefer not to organise the official gay march.
Sounds like the usual propaganda guff issued by totalitarian Governments to cover the real reason for their actions. It's a bit like sending the 45th Guards Separate Reconnaissance Regiment of the VDV to occupy part of a foreign country and claiming that they are local people who bought their equipment at an Army Surplus store. Just another shameless lie to cover the real intent.
 
Sounds like the usual propaganda guff issued by totalitarian Governments to cover the real reason for their actions. It's a bit like sending the 45th Guards Separate Reconnaissance Regiment of the VDV to occupy part of a foreign country and claiming that they are local people who bought their equipment at an Army Surplus store. Just another shameless lie to cover the real intent.
Well, propose your explanation.
Why do you think the Cuban government cancelled official gay march and not allowed independent one?
Why do you think some protestant clerical circles in Cuba show anti-gay activity?
Why do you think US States department funds protestant churches in Cuba?
 
The Cubans I've met are arent that liberal, if anything they are quite conservative. And yes, that's possible - for example Russians are a conservative people in their outlook. It doesn't make them less socialist/communist. Some expressions of sexuality are simply not welcome and seen as western effeteness.
They have a regulated society with some deeply entrenched views that might not sit well with the left in the UK were our left to live out there.
 
Well, propose your explanation.
Why do you think the Cuban government cancelled official gay march and not allowed independent one?
This
The Cubans I've met are arent that liberal, if anything they are quite conservative. And yes, that's possible - for example Russians are a conservative people in their outlook. It doesn't make them less socialist/communist. Some expressions of sexuality are simply not welcome and seen as western effeteness.
They have a regulated society with some deeply entrenched views......
Why do you think some protestant clerical circles in Cuba show anti-gay activity?
Churches of all denominations in many places do this. It doesn't mean that there is anything sinister to it.

Why do you think US States department funds protestant churches in Cuba?
I really think that Russians are the last people who should be casting aspersions about Governments meddling in the affairs of others.

Where does the Russian Orthodox Church stand on gay sexuality?
 

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