Vendee Globe 2024-2025

I see there is still no rescue plan or race insurance. Some won't even insure their own yacht. These selfish people have no regard for those who are put at risk trying to rescue them.
Why don't you start your own thread where you can air your grievances about yachting or climbing hills or leaving the front door without insurance? This is about a round the world yacht race and associated preparations, not legal and insurance matters. Most insure. Just a few didn't. There seems to be a bit of a monopoly on insurance that is very expensive and often doesn't pay out.

Vendée Globe: how are the boats insured? - Tip & Shaft
 
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Why don't you start your own thread where you can air your grievances about yachting or climbing hills or leaving the front door without insurance? This is about a round the world yacht race and associated preparations, not legal and insurance matters. Most insure. Just a few didn't. There seems to be a bit of a monopoly on insurance that is very expensive and often doesn't pay out.

Vendée Globe: how are the boats insured? - Tip & Shaft

No. The race preparations fail to have any rescue assets or insurance to cover any rescue costs. You are promoting a group of selfish people who don't care about the danger they will put other people in to rescue them if something goes wrong. I find this very irresponsible.

Insuring my boat is too expensive. Whhaaaa!!
 
No. The race preparations fail to have any rescue assets or insurance to cover any rescue costs. You are promoting a group of selfish people who don't care about the danger they will put other people in to rescue them if something goes wrong. I find this very irresponsible.

Insuring my boat is too expensive. Whhaaaa!!
There is a boat recovery scheme which was mentioned during the last race. For balance here is an article which discusses some of the issues of abandoned boats, including from the Vendee Globe. Responsibilities after the rescue >> Scuttlebutt Sailing News

The Vendee Globe / IMOCA organisers have been changing the rules progressively to reduce environmental impact. New composites are possible that may reduce the need for carbon fibre and fibreglass. There is a One Design concept which aims to standardise key design elements in a vessel. Rules are regularly updated to take safety in to account. For example, following structural failures of a couple of yachts, there was a concern that strength had been compromised too far in some builds. The position of emergency grab bags was found to be problematic in a real life situation. There has been a growing determination that lost boats and components should be designed with the environment in mind.

You could argue that Formula One or Formula E is irresponsible in that it encourages excess speed and consumption of materials etc. However, it does push the boundaries of technology. This can lead to safety and efficiency improvements elsewhere. Then again, there is the travel by thousands of motor sport fans to consider. Maybe that's a bad thing?
 
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There is a boat recovery scheme which was mentioned during the last race. For balance here is an article which discusses some of the issues of abandoned boats, including from the Vendee Globe. Responsibilities after the rescue >> Scuttlebutt Sailing News

No mention of rescue operation, danger or cost.

Nothing much of relevance in that article. These people deliberately sail alone into hazardous conditions and expect others to put themselves at risk to rescue them. That they abandon their boats is no surprise. They will write a book about their harrowing experience and buy a new yacht with the proceeds.
 
No mention of rescue operation, danger or cost.

Nothing much of relevance in that article. These people deliberately sail alone into hazardous conditions and expect others to put themselves at risk to rescue them. That they abandon their boats is no surprise. They will write a book about their harrowing experience and buy a new yacht with the proceeds.
In 2020-2021 there was one boat that sank due to structural failure. The survivor was rescued by other Vendee Globe competitors. This is what they do. The French navy didn't have to pick him up from the rescuers yacht but they did so. You can ask Macron about that and whether the French tax payers are happy about it.

Two boats abandoned to Cape Town for repairs and one to Brazil. There was no rescue required for any of them. Teams arranged repairs. One sailed back to the UK with crew analysing the boats behaviour. Two continued their circumnavigation, though no longer in the race.

What about the millions of Australians driving without insurance?
 
In 2020-2021 there was one boat that sank due to structural failure. The survivor was rescued by other Vendee Globe competitors. This is what they do. The French navy didn't have to pick him up from the rescuers yacht but they did so. You can ask Macron about that and whether the French tax payers are happy about it.

Two boats abandoned to Cape Town for repairs and one to Brazil. There was no rescue required for any of them. Teams arranged repairs. One sailed back to the UK with crew analysing the boats behaviour. Two continued their circumnavigation, though no longer in the race.

What about the millions of Australians driving without insurance?

1) Is that the best you could come up with?
2) I'm not promoting uninsured driving.
3) Any Australian caught driving without insurance is dealt with, though not as harshly as I'd like.
4) They are liable for recovery costs in the event of an accident.
 
1) Is that the best you could come up with?
2) I'm not promoting uninsured driving.
3) Any Australian caught driving without insurance is dealt with, though not as harshly as I'd like.
4) They are liable for recovery costs in the event of an accident.
WTF?
You are either,
An insurance agent?
You got rammed by a boater and paid for your own repairs.
You like to wreck other peoples fun.
A guy that never gets invited to parties because you are a dullard.

We get that you have an issue with single handed sailing but f-off elsewhere or start your own Insurance thread.
 

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Why don't you start your own thread where you can air your grievances about yachting or climbing hills or leaving the front door without insurance? This is about a round the world yacht race and associated preparations, not legal and insurance matters. Most insure. Just a few didn't. There seems to be a bit of a monopoly on insurance that is very expensive and often doesn't pay out.

Vendée Globe: how are the boats insured? - Tip & Shaft

Why should he? He has a perfectly valid point of view, all the more so for being IIRC an antipodean naval type, and it's them who historically have to pick up the pieces when these racers have their accidents. If you want some sort of unquestioning hagiography you're in the wrong place.

Now if they were prepared to 'Drown like gentlemen' as was Hasler's POV, he might have less of a point, but even then they'd be hazarding other seafarers by their disregard of IRPCS.
 
Why should he? He has a perfectly valid point of view, all the more so for being IIRC an antipodean naval type, and it's them who historically have to pick up the pieces when these racers have their accidents. If you want some sort of unquestioning hagiography you're in the wrong place.

Now if they were prepared to 'Drown like gentlemen' as was Hasler's POV, he might have less of a point, but even then they'd be hazarding other seafarers by their disregard of IRPCS.
Tip & Shaft took an interest and questioned most of the teams to learn how the Vendée Globe Imocas are insured.

The 33 sailors who will start the ninth Vendée Globe on November 8 are all required to have civil liability insurance covering any damage caused to third parties (NoR rule 19 ‘to a value of over €3m’), but they are not obliged to insure their boat. Tip & Shaft could not reach all 33 teams but out of the 26 who responded, only three did not use an insurer for their boat: L’Occitane (Armel Tripon), PRB (Kevin Escoffier) and Campagne de France (Miranda Merron).

The reasons are all related to the costs of insurance premiums and high excess costs. “It costs too much and the boat is now ten years old, so it is already amortised (written off as an asset)”, we were told by PRB. Halvard Mabire, team manager of Campagne de France, explains: “The solutions we are offered just were not acceptable: we have a boat of which the insured value is 400,000 euros and it costs us 50,000 euros in premiums with an excess of 150,000 euros which is calculated on the total loss of the boat which did not exist before.”

For Michel de Franssu, team manager of L’Occitane, one of the eight new Imoca of the 2020 Vendée Globe, the question is not yet completely settled: “We are waiting for a new proposal which, from what I understand , could be revised downwards if we equip the boat with Oscar [the detection system for warning of unidentified floating objects, see our article]”. But the feeling is not to insure the 60 footer of Armel Tripon, even if its value is estimated at more than 5 million euros.

“Right now the insurance premium is equivalent to 10% of the value of the boat and then the excess is around 500,000 euros and for that it is knowing that the cost is based on total loss of the boat only, not the cost of the sails, the mast, appendages, electronics… It is only in the event of a total loss that it is worthwhile to be insured.” Suggests Michel de Franssu. “However, when we look at the statistics of total loss on the last editions of the Vendée Globe, the probability is still quite low. So in the end, the cover offered is poor compared to the cost. ”
 
WTF?
You are either,
An insurance agent?
You got rammed by a boater and paid for your own repairs.
You like to wreck other peoples fun.
A guy that never gets invited to parties because you are a dullard.

We get that you have an issue with single handed sailing but f-off elsewhere or start your own Insurance thread.

No.
No.
No.
Yes.

No.
 
Tip & Shaft took an interest and questioned most of the teams to learn how the Vendée Globe Imocas are insured.

The 33 sailors who will start the ninth Vendée Globe on November 8 are all required to have civil liability insurance covering any damage caused to third parties (NoR rule 19 ‘to a value of over €3m’), but they are not obliged to insure their boat. Tip & Shaft could not reach all 33 teams but out of the 26 who responded, only three did not use an insurer for their boat: L’Occitane (Armel Tripon), PRB (Kevin Escoffier) and Campagne de France (Miranda Merron).

The reasons are all related to the costs of insurance premiums and high excess costs. “It costs too much and the boat is now ten years old, so it is already amortised (written off as an asset)”, we were told by PRB. Halvard Mabire, team manager of Campagne de France, explains: “The solutions we are offered just were not acceptable: we have a boat of which the insured value is 400,000 euros and it costs us 50,000 euros in premiums with an excess of 150,000 euros which is calculated on the total loss of the boat which did not exist before.”

For Michel de Franssu, team manager of L’Occitane, one of the eight new Imoca of the 2020 Vendée Globe, the question is not yet completely settled: “We are waiting for a new proposal which, from what I understand , could be revised downwards if we equip the boat with Oscar [the detection system for warning of unidentified floating objects, see our article]”. But the feeling is not to insure the 60 footer of Armel Tripon, even if its value is estimated at more than 5 million euros.

“Right now the insurance premium is equivalent to 10% of the value of the boat and then the excess is around 500,000 euros and for that it is knowing that the cost is based on total loss of the boat only, not the cost of the sails, the mast, appendages, electronics… It is only in the event of a total loss that it is worthwhile to be insured.” Suggests Michel de Franssu. “However, when we look at the statistics of total loss on the last editions of the Vendée Globe, the probability is still quite low. So in the end, the cover offered is poor compared to the cost. ”

As i said before, that does not address the issue of rescuing the person who deliberately sails into hazardous conditions. Do you think there might be a reason that insurance is so expensive for this event?
 
I don't have the answers to all the comments criticising solo sailing around the globe. The best place to address them is the organisers. I'm not going to the F1 thread to argue why the sport shouldn't be promoted because of the environment or Covid or whatever but feel free to try.

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No one is forcing these people to participate, so the onus is on the individual. F1 has excellent rescue and medical assets in place. What you post or protest about is up to you.
 
No one is forcing these people to participate, so the onus is on the individual. F1 has excellent rescue and medical assets in place. What you post or protest about is up to you.
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Pip Hare Ocean Racing; Getting some miles under the keel

20 Aug 2021 - Short video while crossing the channel at 20 kts, four times. If I heard correctly, that's three hours for a return journey. Just to be clear they were reaching France but not landing in France.

Medallia's base is Poole or as Marine Traffic refers to it :
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There are some video clips here: Pip Hare Ocean Racing
 
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Pip Hare wins YJA Stoneways Marine Yachtsman of the Year Award

Thought I'd check for any YouTube updates from Pip Hare. It seems she was shortlisted for an award. This video is her speech just in case she won the award. She did indeed win it. Yes, despite the award title she is a woman. The the three shortlisted nominees were Hannah Mills, Pip Hare and The Team GB Olympic Sailing Squad – Tokyo 2020. Katie McCabe at only 14 years old won two awards. She solo sailed around the UK and wrote about it. I found this article: Topsham sailor back at school after UK solo voyage You can read more about the awards event here: 2021 YJA Stoneways Marine Awards Gala Dinner – winners announced

Here is Pip's video. Details in the description.

Pip Hare Ocean Racing: Winner of the YJA Stoneways Marine Yachtsman of the Year Award

Pip Hare wins the 2021 YJA Stoneways Marine Yachtsman of the Year Award. In this video, Pip shares her experience to get to the 2020 Vendée Globe and thanks everyone that helped her throughout the campaign.

 

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