Vegans and their totally cray-zay antics

Don't assume, it makes an ass out of u and me. Just google the f*cker: Words We're Watching: 'Plant-based'
I know what some people I work with mean by 'plant-based'. Your link is as much use as tits on a fish - "Modern use of plant-based is used to describe anything from meat to pillowcases to paint, if they are made mostly or entirely of plants....However, over the several decades that plant-based has been in use, it has come to mean different things to different people". Fantastic work there.

I'll stick with my assumption thanks.
 

Joker62

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I know what some people I work with mean by 'plant-based'. Your link is as much use as tits on a fish - "Modern use of plant-based is used to describe anything from meat to pillowcases to paint, if they are made mostly or entirely of plants....However, over the several decades that plant-based has been in use, it has come to mean different things to different people". Fantastic work there.

I'll stick with my assumption thanks.
Are steaks plant based? After all, cows eat plants and they then become steaks.
 

Legs

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I know what some people I work with mean by 'plant-based'. Your link is as much use as tits on a fish - "Modern use of plant-based is used to describe anything from meat to pillowcases to paint, if they are made mostly or entirely of plants....However, over the several decades that plant-based has been in use, it has come to mean different things to different people". Fantastic work there.

I'll stick with my assumption thanks.

Steak is plant based. Without plants it wouldn't be such a juicy, tasty, pink slice of deliciousness.
 

Legs

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@Joker62 - Great minds and all that...
 

37ucv67i

War Hero
I know what some people I work with mean by 'plant-based'. Your link is as much use as tits on a fish - "Modern use of plant-based is used to describe anything from meat to pillowcases to paint, if they are made mostly or entirely of plants....However, over the several decades that plant-based has been in use, it has come to mean different things to different people". Fantastic work there.

I'll stick with my assumption thanks.
You better stick to chemistry, understanding the complexities of language use doesn't seem to be your thing.
ETA: Neither does reading. Do you understand what the bit about "In subsequent decades plant-based has come to be employed in a looser fashion by many people. In many instances it can be difficult to say why speakers choose to distinguish between vegan and plant-based; possible reasons include a perceived animus toward vegans, or the desire to be semantically precise." means and what it implies with respect to marketing strategies?
 

Chef

LE
Well, the proteins in the steak are just rearranged plant proteins so it's a logical argument. Probably not a sensible one though.
You use this phrase in a thread on vegans?
 
You better stick to chemistry, understanding the complexities of language use doesn't seem to be your thing.
ETA: Neither does reading. Do you understand what the bit about "In subsequent decades plant-based has come to be employed in a looser fashion by many people. In many instances it can be difficult to say why speakers choose to distinguish between vegan and plant-based; possible reasons include a perceived animus toward vegans, or the desire to be semantically precise." means and what it implies with respect to marketing strategies?
Does your link cover what that specific product means by 'plant based'? No, therefore it is useless from a specific viewpoint.

Does your link cover what that company mean by 'plant based'? No, therefore it's not much cop from a general viewpoint either.

Does your link give a single unambiguous definition of what is meant by 'plant based'? No, therefore it cannot be used to say my assumption was wrong.

For someone happy to criticise people about the complexity of language use you seem very keen to read a sentiment into my statement. I said "I assume they're trying to say there's no butter or cream in it but it still looks like a particularly stupid tautology." Can you point out what is wrong with that statement?

You seem to be reading that as "I have no idea what plant based means so am making things up" which isn't what I said.

I understand why one of the people I work with doesn't like being called a vegan and prefers 'plant based' as it means people don't assume they are a weirdo. None of that has anything to do with me pointing out that packet label looks stupid, the same way I would do if someone advertised pesticide free girders or free range cars. Anything else you want to look like an ass about?
 

theoriginalphantom

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My aunt is one of those very irritating militant vegans.
She believes that everyone is allowed an opinion provided it's hers.
She helped speed up her own mother's death by removing all animal based foods from her, leaving her with sod all of any nutritional value.
I will continue to eat animals just to piss her off.
(Mrs phantom is a vegetablist - well a pescatarian and we manage to eat without fighting. The mini phantoms have the option of meat or non meat - they do like a Quorn roast)
 
I know this is heresy to many but I never, ever liked bacon, even when I was noshing down on bacon grill and compo sossies. This may horrify people but I used to give mine away.
Yet Wor Kid loves it.
What is it about the stuff? It's salty and fatty and that's about it.
You are dead to me.....

Get your kit, hand it in and leave via the backdoor, your shame is too great for the rest of us to bear.
 

Cutaway

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Kit Reviewer
My aunt is one of those very irritating militant vegans.
She believes that everyone is allowed an opinion provided it's hers.
She helped speed up her own mother's death by removing all animal based foods from her, leaving her with sod all of any nutritional value.
I will continue to eat animals just to piss her off.
(Mrs phantom is a vegetablist - well a pescatarian and we manage to eat without fighting. The mini phantoms have the option of meat or non meat - they do like a Quorn roast)
Please pass on my best wishes and let her know that since reading of her I've decided to increase my dead creature intake.
For every animal she "saves" I'll now be eating six.
 
Because they're tender and juicy?

You sound like Gollum ;-)

“We like goblinses, batses and fishes. But we hasn’t tried Hobbitses before. Is it soft? Is it juicy?”
 

37ucv67i

War Hero
Does your link cover what that specific product means by 'plant based'? No, therefore it is useless from a specific viewpoint.

Does your link cover what that company mean by 'plant based'? No, therefore it's not much cop from a general viewpoint either.

Does your link give a single unambiguous definition of what is meant by 'plant based'? No, therefore it cannot be used to say my assumption was wrong.

For someone happy to criticise people about the complexity of language use you seem very keen to read a sentiment into my statement. I said "I assume they're trying to say there's no butter or cream in it but it still looks like a particularly stupid tautology." Can you point out what is wrong with that statement?

You seem to be reading that as "I have no idea what plant based means so am making things up" which isn't what I said.

I understand why one of the people I work with doesn't like being called a vegan and prefers 'plant based' as it means people don't assume they are a weirdo. None of that has anything to do with me pointing out that packet label looks stupid, the same way I would do if someone advertised pesticide free girders or free range cars. Anything else you want to look like an ass about?
My, you're touchy. Anything the mater with your self-esteem? Right, let's go through this together from the beginning. We have an ASDA product label here saying "Plant based mashed potato". This is of course absolutely hilarious to some people on here (not necessarily including you), because we all know potatoes are plants, so this is some sort of new-fangled silliness, right?
You say "I assume they're trying to say there's no butter or cream in it but it still looks like a particularly stupid tautology." Considering that the marketing people at ASDA probably earn more than me and you put together, we might take this one step further. Would these highly-paid professionals who are supported by psychologists, statisticians and whatnot really use what looks like a particularly stupid tautology and make a laughing stock of their company? Probably not. So, we might try finding out what possible reasons they have for labelling their mashed potatoes "plant-based". Are "plant-based mashed potatoes" really the same level of stupidity as "pesticide free girders"? What do mashed potatoes normally contain? Well, potatoes, of course, anything else? O yes, butter, and some people use cream or milk, which are all dairy products...[just as you said, of course].
We think a bit further, roughly along the following lines: 'This is obviously meant for customers who consider it important that what they buy is in some way plant-based. What does that epithet mean? Is that even the right question? Linguistics never tires of pointing out that the meaning of a word is defined by how it is used [yes, I highlighted this especially for you, my scientifically-minded friend who values unambiguous definitions so much]. I know, let's google this! Ah, here's something from Merriam-Webster, who are one of the biggest publishers of dictionaries. They probably know what they are talking about. Let's see...aha, they say it's a new word, "showing greatly increased use, in a variety of settings. It is routinely applied to meat substitutes, and to non-food stuffs which contain no animal products." This seems to tie in with our supposition that it all has to do with how food is marketed. Right, let's read on..."However, over the several decades that plant-based has been in use, it has come to mean different things to different people. Some use it synonymously with the adjectival form of vegan, others think it is closer to vegetarian (insofar as something plant-based may contain animal products, such as dairy or eggs, although no flesh), while others still employ the word in a self-explanatory fashion, reasoning that any food or product which is largely based on plants deserves this label"...yeah, well, that's all sort of obvious, but in any case "plant-based" is some sort of synonym for "vegetarian" or "vegan", something to do with a need to fell that no animals were harmed. Let's keep reading..."In many instances it can be difficult to say why speakers choose to distinguish between vegan and plant-based; possible reasons include a perceived animus toward vegans, or the desire to be semantically precise". Well, that sounds plausible: The label "plant-based mashed potatoes" is designed to appeal to customers who want food they feel they can eat with a clear conscience as no animals were harmed in its production, but who might be wary of something labelled 'vegan' as this sounds a bit quirky and not particularly tasty. Right, we seem to have come to the preliminary conclusion that "plant-based" here is a synonym for "vegetarian" with the psychological advantage (which will manifest itself in sales figures - numbers never lie!) that it doesn't conjure up the associations with asceticism and general joylessness that "vegetarian" does. Looks reasonable to me. At first sight "plant-based mashed potatoes" might look like a particularly stupid tautology, but it isn't; it has a clearly discernible meaning and purpose, and we can all stand down. Maybe what something looks like at first sight isn't as important as whether and how it works?
 
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theoriginalphantom

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Book Reviewer
Please pass on my best wishes and let her know that since reading of her I've decided to increase my dead creature intake.
For every animal she "saves" I'll now be eating six.

I haven't spoken to the malicious bitch since Grans funeral something like 14 or 15 years ago. If I get invited to hers I will only go to make sure she's really gone.

And I will take bacon to eat. If she gets cremated I will put a couple of steaks in with her.
 
My, you're touchy. Anything the mater with your self-esteem?
Nothing's the mater with my self esteem, I just object to people trying to correct mistakes when there's nothing wrong in the first place. Nothing's wrong with my ability to break posts into paragraphs either.

Right, let's go through this together from the beginning. We have an ASDA product label here saying "Plant based mashed potato". This is of course absolutely hilarious to some people on here (not necessarily including you), because we all know potatoes are plants, so this is some sort of new-fangled silliness, right?
You say "I assume they're trying to say there's no butter or cream in it but it still looks like a particularly stupid tautology." Considering that the marketing people at ASDA probably earn more than me and you put together, we might take this one step further. Would these highly-paid professionals who are supported by psychologists, statisticians and whatnot really use what looks like a particularly stupid tautology and make a laughing stock of their company? Probably not. So, we might try finding out what possible reasons they have for labelling their mashed potatoes "plant-based". Are "plant-based mashed potatoes" really the same level of stupidity as "pesticide free girders"? What do mashed potatoes normally contain? Well, potatoes, of course, anything else? O yes, butter, and some people use cream or milk, which are all dairy products...[just as you said, of course].
We think a bit further, roughly along the following lines: 'This is obviously meant for customers who consider it important that what they buy is in some way plant-based. What does that epithet mean? Is that even the right question? Linguistics never tires of pointing out that the meaning of a word is defined by how it is used [yes, I highlighted this especially for you, my scientifically-minded friend who values unambiguous definitions so much]. I know, let's google this! Ah, here's something from Merriam-Webster, who are one of the biggest publishers of dictionaries. They probably know what they are talking about. Let's see...aha, they say it's a new word, "showing greatly increased use, in a variety of settings. It is routinely applied to meat substitutes, and to non-food stuffs which contain no animal products." This seems to tie in with our supposition that it all has to do with how food is marketed. Right, let's read on..."However, over the several decades that plant-based has been in use, it has come to mean different things to different people. Some use it synonymously with the adjectival form of vegan, others think it is closer to vegetarian (insofar as something plant-based may contain animal products, such as dairy or eggs, although no flesh), while others still employ the word in a self-explanatory fashion, reasoning that any food or product which is largely based on plants deserves this label"...yeah, well, that's all sort of obvious, but in any case "plant-based" is some sort of synonym for "vegetarian" or "vegan", something to do with a need to fell that no animals were harmed. Let's keep reading..."In many instances it can be difficult to say why speakers choose to distinguish between vegan and plant-based; possible reasons include a perceived animus toward vegans, or the desire to be semantically precise". Well, that sounds plausible: The label "plant-based mashed potatoes" is designed to appeal to customers who want food they feel they can eat with a clear conscience as no animals were harmed in its production, but who might be wary of something labelled 'vegan' as this sounds a bit quirky and not particularly tasty. Right, we seem to have come to the preliminary conclusion that "plant-based" here is a synonym for "vegetarian" with the psychological advantage (which will manifest itself in sales figures - numbers never lie!) that it doesn't conjure up the associations with asceticism and general joylessness that "vegetarian" does. Looks reasonable to me.
So what I said was right then? Glad we cleared that up.

At first sight "plant-based mashed potatoes" might look like a particularly stupid tautology, but it isn't
It is. Describing mashed plants as 'plant based' is daft. Funnily enough maybe they agree, given I can't find the 'plant based' mashed potatoes on their website? Online Food Shopping - ASDA Groceries 165 results for 'plant based and 'mash' does not appear in them. Lots of 'plant based' sausages, curries, lasagne, spaghetti bolognese etc. but no mashed potatoes. Strange.
 

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