[quote="Mr Deputy]That I funk about it, like. I haven't seen it. Probably get it out on DVD (on our new plasma I mounted on a wall mount last night - its rather good, I got talked into it but I do like it) and have a pillow handy to punch...alot[/quote]Vaughany said:Opinions please. Saw it last night, I have to say, Cruise was alot less sh1te than I thought he was gonna be.
Suggest you go to see it before you spout of - all of the above statement was NOT portrayed in the film!Him sitting around with creaking jack boots, probably sitting in sunlit armchairs smoking and looking pensive ... hmm...its nowt new is it? More Nazis swanking about sweating, emploring the audience to feel some compassion for them or understand
Nonsense, pure and simple. He did not fully support Nazi ideology - have you actually studied any of the considerable amount of literature on Stauffenberg and the German Resistance? Evidently not, otherwise you would not come out with such an infantile - and patently untrue - statement which flies in the face of historical fact. Perhaps you are one of those who merely has to see a German officer in boots and britches and you go all a-quiver with righteous indignation, forgetting - or perhaps not knowing - that such imagined 'Nazi' stereotypes are largely the product of Hollywood and the simplistic belief that all Germans were Nazis. Just because the Nazis sought to appropriate the dress and manner of the traditional officer class in Germany does not mean that those - like Stauffenberg - can be merely dismissed as Nazis by reason of appearance. The German Foreign Office, the Abwehr, and many Wehrmacht officers, along with traditional conservatives and the Catholic and Protestant churches were the focal points for the German Resistance.Enlightenment said:The problem I have is the representation of Stauffenberg as some sort of hero. He was vilely anti-semitic, fully supported the ideal of a slavic under class, and fully supported Nazi ideology. A horrendous man.
Stauffenberg was not a Prussian but a Catholic Bavarian aristocrat - a group which heartily disliked the Prussian ethos. By "senior officer in their organisation", I take it you mean the Wehrmacht? Is Stauffenberg to be blamed for joining the Reichswehr in 1926?Mr_Deputy said:he wasn't a party member but was a senior officer in their organisation. its splitting hairs...again, in my opinion. He was a nationalist and adored the image of a powerful Germany in a Prussian way. We all know that many officers of the old school Prussian tradition committed some of the worst crimes and most severely pushed the field army in their objectives in the years of WWII.