V1 - German wartime film

My dad was blown off his bike in Cranford Park, Hayes, by a V1 blast. He was 14 and delivering for a local butchers. He said he never heard the V1 engine, he just remembers the blast and coming round, his bike some way away from him and cuts & bruises, mainly from flying stones and earth. He said he hated the V1, the V2 was feared less as it wasn’t such a psychological weapon, you didn’t know it was coming and it was very much an attitude of, I won’t know much about it! The V1 was very much a slow moving, sight & sound weapon that was feared because it was watched, then the engine cut and it was a sense of, On shit, where’s it going to come down!
On a separate note, has anyone got any info on the supposed V3, I believe this was two stage, used liquid oxygen and could hit New York from central Germany?
The V3 was a multi-chamber super gun, whereby a fin-stabilised projectile was accelerated along a very long barrel by a series of sympathetic detonations of charges located in a herring-bone arrangement. I don't believe that any shots were fired in anger as the V3 facility in Mimoyecques in Calais was bombed into oblivion (during which drone B17s were flown into the complex - and Joe Kennedy (JFK's elder brother) was killed). The RAF finished it off with Tall Boys. I visited it years ago on an Air Power Staff Ride. Thousands of slave workers died as a result of the bombing as an aquifer burst and the tunnels were flooded.

ETA: apparently Luxembourg was shelled by one.
 
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I've posted this before, but here is an article by a former ARRSER on the intelligence defeat of the V2 ballistic missile campaign. It's really two papers - the back half is on the post war British exploitation of German wartime technologies and scientists. I proof-checked this for him a number of times - but as I read it again, I've found more errors! He had unparalleled access to JIC, MI5 and Cabinet Office files. Look from page 110 onwards.

 
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RigPig

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The nearest the Luftwaffe had to a heavy bomber was the Kondor, but that was used for maritime recce and in small numbers. The only other machine had development problems and was abandoned.
The Germans also used the He177 four engined heavy bomber. It had close coupled engine, two per nacelle and only two propellers, so looked like a twin engine aircraft.


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The Germans also used the He177 four engined heavy bomber. It had close coupled engine, two per nacelle and only two propellers, so looked like a twin engine aircraft.


RP
Probably their most radical bomber design was the Arado 234, which was largely immune from allied fighters.

I visited the Luftwaffe Museum at former RAF Gatow a couple of years ago and the descriptions of the Arado 234 praises the superiority of the design and the cleverness of the engineers...and then they bring themselves back to earth by stating that it was built by slave labour and how very sorry they were...reinforced by a slave labourer's uniform in the next cabinet.
 
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I'm not sure about papers refusing to publish planted stories, but disinformation along with reporting from turned agents persuaded the Germans that the missiles were hitting central London, after they adjusted the air log, believing they were over-shootong.
Agent " Zigzag" ( Eddie Chippan ) convinced the Abwehr that Britain had drifted 25 miles south due to subsidence in the foundations and they changed their point of impact , all the V rockets then fell on Kent which was regarded as a bonus.
 
I just found this interesting table on Wikipedia comparing the relative cost of delivery systems:

Blitz (12 months) vs V-1 flying bombs (2¾ months)
BlitzV-1
1. Cost to Germany
Sorties90,0008,025
Weight of bombs tons61,14914,600
Fuel consumed tons71,7004,681
Aircraft lost3,0750
Personnel lost7,6900
2. Results
Structures damaged/destroyed1,150,0001,127,000
Casualties92,56622,892
Rate casualties/bombs tons1.61.6
3. Allied air effort
Sorties86,80044,770
Aircraft lost1,260351
Personnel lost2,233805

My only comment about this is that the V1 campaign went from June 1944 to March 1945; the V2 from September 1945 and also to March 1945. It would be interesting to add to that table. Some of you will recall the Arrser 'Crash' who used to post prolifically. Sadly, he withdrew from ARRSE because of ill-health but he sent me the link to the German film in the OP. Last summer, he also published a detailed article on the intelligence defeat of the V2 campaign.
It would be intersesting to see the V2 figures alonside those two columns. Were alternative warheads ever considered does anyone know?

While it would have been no use for the earlier part of the Blitz (before the switch from airfields to cities) I wonder what the impact of having combined V1/bomber force attacks on major population centres would have been. The defences would have had to been prioritized between raids and missiles. While it is obviously speculative for the Battle of Britain would it have been part of the thinking for the US use of V1's in the proposed invaion of Japan. I assume that they would have been sure of better targetting information as well.

ETA This entirely speculation on my part. Why are people giving it informatives?
 
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I understand the biggest drawback of the V1 to the Germans was the launch ski sites were easy to spot where as the V2 was more or less a truck based deploy, shoot and scoot system.
Could they have been launched from mobile ramps with more rocket assistance or was the long ramp essential?

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Could they have been launched from mobile ramps with more rocket assistance or was the long ramp essential?

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I think that portable ramps were developed but still relatively time consuming to erect (and therefore vulnerable) and they still needed the infrastructure and transport (fuelling, arming, compressors etc) to launch them.
 
Agent " Zigzag" ( Eddie Chippan ) convinced the Abwehr that Britain had drifted 25 miles south due to subsidence in the foundations and they changed their point of impact , all the V rockets then fell on Kent which was regarded as a bonus.
My understanding is that ZIGZAG had been burned by then. It was PUDJOL (run by the XX Committee) who established a largely mythical network that the Abwehr relied on. Unfortunately, I'm separated from my books at the moment but I'll ask colleagues about this.
 
But sooner or later, often after the witnesses are dead, history will have to be rewritten.


My bold … Sadly, especially in the UK's African history, it has been rewritten almost as soon as we pulled out, not only by those corrupt dictators who took over, but the hordes of "woke useful idiots" in Britain & elsewhere to prove how pc they were =-(
 
The V3 was a multi-chamber super gun, whereby a fin-stabilised projectile was accelerated along a very long barrel by a series of sympathetic detonations of charges located in a herring-bone arrangement. I don't believe that any shots were fired in anger as the V3 facility in Mimoyecques in Calais was bombed into oblivion (during which drone B17s were flown into the complex - and Joe Kennedy (JFK's elder brother) was killed). The RAF finished it off with Tall Boys. I visited it years ago on an Air Power Staff Ride. Thousands of slave workers died as a result of the bombing as an aquifer burst and the tunnels were flooded.

ETA: apparently Luxembourg was shelled by one.
Pedant mode on.

Propellant doesn't detonate.

Pedant mode off.
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
If any of you visit France, just a few miles from Dunkirk is the Blockhaus
the first time is was hard to find, turn off a ring road, onto a small country lane, then turn right down a track and right again
even then you dont really see the thing
it was used as a launch site for V1s, and V2s it had a rail link which ran into the building to bring partly assembled V2s in
it took several attempts to silence it, but when I first visited on a quite September afternoon, I was left to wander around
lots of warry stuff outside to see first, then you climb a small slope, turn a corner and there a Monolith stands black and scarred
When Churchill spoke about Perverted science, he meant this
thousands died building it
when you walk into the building, even on the hottest day its cold, the floor has been raised by some 30 feet to beat the water table that would other wise fill it up
Its a massive icon to vile deeds
To a ideal that worshipped the destruction of humankind as target to race towards

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If any of you visit France, just a few miles from Dunkirk is the Blockhaus
the first time is was hard to find, turn off a ring road, onto a small country lane, then turn right down a track and right again
even then you dont really see the thing
it was used as a launch site for V1s, and V2s it had a rail link which ran into the building to bring partly assembled V2s in
it took several attempts to silence it, but when I first visited on a quite September afternoon, I was left to wander around
lots of warry stuff outside to see first, then you climb a small slope, turn a corner and there a Monolith stands black and scarred
When Churchill spoke about Perverted science, he meant this
thousands died building it
when you walk into the building, even on the hottest day its cold, the floor has been raised by some 30 feet to beat the water table that would other wise fill it up
Its a massive icon to vile deeds
To a ideal that worshipped the destruction of humankind as target to race towards

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Great photos.

I'm not sure any V2s were launched from Wizernes; I think the V1 launch ramp was relocated from elsewhere on the Pas de Calais, for display purposes. An absolute monster of a building and because of the constant bombing, the roof was built first and then jacked up as the walls were erected, to protect the site during construction. Another mind blowing site is the nearby La Cupola - a circular assembly and launch facility, which was also bombed out of use.

You are spot on about perverted science; the was mechanised killing of the highest degree. It was not for deterrence or defence. It was there to inflict as many civilian casualties on London as possible. Hitler had a thing for monumentalism but von Braun realised that the allies were likely to overrun these facilities (similar ones were planned for the Cherbourg peninsula) before the V2 was operational
Additionally he and Gen Dornberger realised how vulnerable these sites would be to bombing so they devised the Mielewagon transporter-erector-launcher system, which was only defeated when the allies denied his gang of war criminals launch sites that could reach England.
 
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It Achieved that, my mother spent some time in a psychiatric hospital post war, recovering from the after effects
as children we were never allowed to watch war films
and she hated fireworks
she was bombed out a further 2 times one time waking up on lavender hill in the remains of the bed with her infant sister, who she had to revive
my nan was in the karzi and most of the shop landed on that
her language would have made a sailor blush !
she used to call my scooter the doodlebug
Mine too :-(
Mum was in London for the first blitz as a child, (4/5 years) evacuated and brought back because of abuse while evacuated. In London for V1 and V2's. (7/8 years). Nervous breakdown after the war. Very very caring yet dispassionate at the same time.

Dad bombed out in Coventry, a year older than mum and he was pulled out clutching his brother (who had been killed). Like mum, mentally scared, caring but quick to lose his temper.

Both very bright but the mental scars were never healed and made for an interesting childhood for me.
 
I just found this interesting table on Wikipedia comparing the relative cost of delivery systems:

Blitz (12 months) vs V-1 flying bombs (2¾ months)
BlitzV-1
1. Cost to Germany
Sorties90,0008,025
Weight of bombs tons61,14914,600
Fuel consumed tons71,7004,681
Aircraft lost3,0750
Personnel lost7,6900
2. Results
Structures damaged/destroyed1,150,0001,127,000
Casualties92,56622,892
Rate casualties/bombs tons1.61.6
3. Allied air effort
Sorties86,80044,770
Aircraft lost1,260351
Personnel lost2,233805

My only comment about this is that the V1 campaign went from June 1944 to March 1945; the V2 from September 1945 and also to March 1945. It would be interesting to add to that table. Some of you will recall the Arrser 'Crash' who used to post prolifically. Sadly, he withdrew from ARRSE because of ill-health but he sent me the link to the German film in the OP. Last summer, he also published a detailed article on the intelligence defeat of the V2 campaign.
140 buildings destroyed on average by each V1 sounds quite steep? I know it was a blast weapon with a big warhead but it still seems a lot.
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
140 buildings destroyed on average by each V1 sounds quite steep? I know it was a blast weapon with a big warhead but it still seems a lot.
I have seen images of a V1 with only one house flattened, but I suppose the confines of a town street would cause other buildings to fracture and move
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
Hreat photos.

I'm not sure any V2s were launched from Wizernes; I think the V1 launch ramp was relocated from elsewhere on the Pas de Calais, for display purposes. An absolute monster of a building and because of the constant bombing, the roof was built first and then jacked up as the walls were erected, to protect the site during construction. Another mind blowing site is the nearby La Cupola - a circular assembly and launch facility, which was also bombed out of use.

You are spot on about perverted science; the was mechanised killing of the highest degree. It was not for deterrence or defence. It was there to inflict as many civilian casualties on London as possible. Hitler had a thing for monumentalism but von Braun realised that the allies were likely to overrun these facilities (similar ones were planned for the Cherbourg peninsula) before the V2 was operational
Additionally he and Gen Dornberger realised how vulnerable these sites would be to bombing so they devised the Mielewagon transporter-erector-launcher system, which was only defeated when the allies denied his gang of war criminals launch sites that could reach England.
I visited the V3 site back in the late 80s with my elderly Father
only him and my Nephew, we got lost, and this lovely Frenchman in a 1950s Mercedes Cabrio turned around and stopped us, and escorted us to the site ( it was hard to find then) he would take no payment for his time, must have taken a good 40 minutes
I thanked him profusely and he said it is the least I can do for you, we dont forget you here !
after we had visited the site, the Elderly Frenchman explained that had we visited the day before, we could have met 2 of the three men in that picture, who landed on the nearby beach at Wissant, and came her to ensure it never opened again
he then told us that even allowing for wind drift it would land a rocket every 5 seconds inside the North and South circular ring road
My Father was quite emotional about that, and told he Frenchman about the bombing, had this weapon been allowed to fire, it would have destroyed moral in the City and the Suburbs
 

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