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V for Vendetta (BBC 2) 20.12.08

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Tremaine

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#1
Been watching this, anybody else? Tagline: "Remember, remember the 5th of November, the gun powder treason and plot. I know of no reason why the gun powder treason should ever be forgot". Freedom fighter called"V" uses terrorist tactics to fight against his totalitarian society.

It's got Nat Portman, Steve Fry, etc. And it's very, very good.
 
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Tremaine

Guest
#5
smartascarrots said:
Our government seems to have taken inspiration from 1984, seems only fair we take inspiration from literature as well...
Caught my drift there mate 8)
 

Command_doh

LE
Book Reviewer
#8
Good film.

But there are a couple of ways of looking at this. What would you rather live in? A society where EVERYBODIES freedoms are upheld - including the terrorist apologists, jihadi advocaters, right to blow themselves up in the name of their religion/belief, right to proliferate terrorist propoganda, right to threaten and breakdown the fabric of society - a society where the 'common man' rises up to overthrow that (marginally) safe and totalitarian society that existed before (now);

Or would you rather live (relatively) safely in the (potentially) totalitarian state (that we could have) where the will of the common man is squashed, but most people lived safe in the knowledge that they wouldn't get vaporised by an irradiated dirty bomb/terrorist acquired/state supplied nuclear weapon in their capital city?

I would rather live in a society with less freedoms and more security from terrorist/'freedom fighter' (as per the ambiguity of this film) attack than live in a festering society that promulgates and nurtures the seed of its own destruction from within.
 
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Command_doh said:
I would rather live in a society with less freedoms and more security from terrorist/'freedom fighter' (as per the ambiguity of this film) attack than live in a festering society that promulgates and nurtures the seed of its own destruction from within.
Are you a party member?



:D
 

Command_doh

LE
Book Reviewer
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Barrack Room Lawyer said:
Command_doh said:
I would rather live in a society with less freedoms and more security from terrorist/'freedom fighter' (as per the ambiguity of this film) attack than live in a festering society that promulgates and nurtures the seed of its own destruction from within.
Are you a party member?



:D
I wouldn't go quite as far as saying I was a badge wearing, gurning member of the national socialist workers party, but I was merely trying to highlight how close to the bone and how fine a point it is between 'too much freedom' becoming 'here's enough rope, make sure you hang yourself with it'.

But yeah, fecking good film though.

I do so would love to vigourously batter Natalie Portman's back doors in before giving her a nice pearl gift for christmas.
 
#13
Command_doh said:
Good film.

But there are a couple of ways of looking at this. What would you rather live in? A society where EVERYBODIES freedoms are upheld - including the terrorist apologists, jihadi advocaters, right to blow themselves up in the name of their religion/belief, right to proliferate terrorist propoganda, right to threaten and breakdown the fabric of society - a society where the 'common man' rises up to overthrow that (marginally) safe and totalitarian society that existed before (now);

Or would you rather live (relatively) safely in the (potentially) totalitarian state (that we could have) where the will of the common man is squashed, but most people lived safe in the knowledge that they wouldn't get vaporised by an irradiated dirty bomb/terrorist acquired/state supplied nuclear weapon in their capital city?

I would rather live in a society with less freedoms and more security from terrorist/'freedom fighter' (as per the ambiguity of this film) attack than live in a festering society that promulgates and nurtures the seed of its own destruction from within.
Fair points. However, the film raises something else - Norsefire actually carried out the bio-warfare attack that led to the "secure" society. Thus illustrating what most ARRSEr's already know: you can't trust politicians from ANY party! :twisted:
 
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Tremaine

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#14
"I do so would love to vigourously batter Natalie Portman's back doors in before giving her a nice pearl gift for christmas."

Well mate, as a local bloke once put this to me during a tour on Banner.. Ulster accent "would ye now, for you'd be up my a+se so you would..."

No offence. :wink:
 

Command_doh

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
Fair points. However, the film raises something else - Norsefire actually carried out the bio-warfare attack that led to the "secure" society. Thus illustrating what most ARRSEr's already know: you can't trust politicians from ANY party!
Sh1t. Got me there. I didn't actually watch it. Last time I saw this was about a year ago, and I forgot that bit. I'd still rather be monitored (we are the most watched - CCTV wise - populace on the face of the planet), curtailed and stifled publically (within reason) - remember the 'silencing' of the Chinese protersters when Hu Jintao came over a few years ago? - and have my freedoms cut (remember, the US is the land of the 'free', yet they have far less freedoms, have all their communications monitored and actually have less 'freedoms' than we do, and we are heading down that road) if it stopped me or anybody close to me getting splattered all over Boris's trainset or the London horizon. What kind of a f ucked up world do we live in where you can't deport a rabid jihadist who is wanted for the the proliferation of terrorism - Abu Hamza - because he has bad toe nails and might face the death penalty (thus infringing his human rights - but not his rights to call for the death of us kuffir/infidels)and where a terrorist the UK actually wants to throw out of the country - Abu Qatada - is re-arrested because they thought he would flee to Lebanon?

A seriously messed up one.

Anyway, its been a long day....
 
#17
Command_doh said:
Good film.

But there are a couple of ways of looking at this. What would you rather live in? A society where EVERYBODIES freedoms are upheld - including the terrorist apologists, jihadi advocaters, right to blow themselves up in the name of their religion/belief, right to proliferate terrorist propoganda, right to threaten and breakdown the fabric of society - a society where the 'common man' rises up to overthrow that (marginally) safe and totalitarian society that existed before (now);

Or would you rather live (relatively) safely in the (potentially) totalitarian state (that we could have) where the will of the common man is squashed, but most people lived safe in the knowledge that they wouldn't get vaporised by an irradiated dirty bomb/terrorist acquired/state supplied nuclear weapon in their capital city?

I would rather live in a society with less freedoms and more security from terrorist/'freedom fighter' (as per the ambiguity of this film) attack than live in a festering society that promulgates and nurtures the seed of its own destruction from within.
I don't agree with the examples you give. You give two extremes. I agree with you that some personal freedom does need to be given up and that is what we have.

I too would be willing to fight against a totalitarian state if it ever appeared. Each individual will have his own definition of what that is defined as.
 
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Tremaine

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But as the bloke said, it's been a hard day, bit of slack due and it was a good post perhaps?

V was also a 10 series Comic

Best lines?
Gordon: I am V. At last you know the truth. You're stunned, I know. It's hard to believe, isn't it, that beneath this wrinkled, well-fed exterior there lies a dangerous killing machine with a fetish for Fawkesian masks. Vive la revolution!

Evey Hammond: That is not funny, Gordon.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#19
I swear every person i know who has read 1984 is still in a state of disbelief about...........how intelligent they are. Te he Room 101, only i understand the TV-show now.
 
#20
Command_doh said:
Fair points. However, the film raises something else - Norsefire actually carried out the bio-warfare attack that led to the "secure" society. Thus illustrating what most ARRSEr's already know: you can't trust politicians from ANY party!
Sh1t. Got me there. I didn't actually watch it. Last time I saw this was about a year ago, and I forgot that bit. I'd still rather be monitored (we are the most watched - CCTV wise - populace on the face of the planet), curtailed and stifled publically (within reason) - remember the 'silencing' of the Chinese protersters when Hu Jintao came over a few years ago? - and have my freedoms cut (remember, the US is the land of the 'free', yet they have far less freedoms, have all their communications monitored and actually have less 'freedoms' than we do, and we are heading down that road) if it stopped me or anybody close to me getting splattered all over Boris's trainset or the London horizon. What kind of a f ucked up world do we live in where you can't deport a rabid jihadist who is wanted for the the proliferation of terrorism - Abu Hamza - because he has bad toe nails and might face the death penalty (thus infringing his human rights - but not his rights to call for the death of us kuffir/infidels)and where a terrorist the UK actually wants to throw out of the country - Abu Qatada - is re-arrested because they thought he would flee to Lebanon?

A seriously messed up one.

Anyway, its been a long day....
No argument from me. The right to NOT be killed by some freak who wants to take the magic carpet ride to paradise must be the priority. Problem is that the vast majority of politicians are completely untrustworthy. Their priorities are always themselves first, then the Party. With the rest of us coming a very distant third. :evil:

Frankly, I'm surprised Gordon has'nt set up his own version of the Fingermen yet. Probably thinks it would cost too much... :roll:
 

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