V.C. and C.M.H.

#1
Last night whilst watching N.C.I.S. ( i know, I know :yawnstretch: ) the story involved a Congresional Medal of Honour winner who was suffering guilt about a wartime incident. anyhoo in the program 2 USMC MP's were about to nick the old boy when they saw his CMH and came to attention and gave a salute. Is this tv bull or is this right?
Do we do the same for the Victoria Cross or am I right in thinking you don't salute civilians regardless of their awards?

I know there aren't many living recipients of the V.C. and that lead me to my next question, and this is not meant to start a slanging match, but what are the comparative award valuves?

The American habit of dishing gong's out like smarties does detract from their worth,.........doesn't it?
 
#2
If you see LCpl Beharry wearing his VC you are meant to salute him. In all honesty i'd rather salute him than many of the senior officers i've encountered!

Having spoken to Yanks in Baghdad while on Telic all the ribbons you see on their uniform aren't all for ops or bravery etc. They get ribbons for each posting, adventure trg etc they do. One thing that did make me laugh is that if an American Herc flies over NI on the way to Germany or alike, they are entitled to a NI medal!
 
#3
If you don't salute a VC, then IMHO you should, it should be a rule :headbang: . The CMH as I believe requires all those encountering said heros should salute or is that just Holywood........Trip_Wire info please :thumleft:
 
#4
Personally I don't think that anyone in uniform would not pay a respect to a VC winner.

They earned it and deserve respect.


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#5
CMH is like the VC and only given for serious feats of bravery. I know Mike Thornton CMH USN navy seal who won his in Vietnam. If you google his name you will see what he did. Nails.
 
#6
I thought that everyone has to salute a VC, even the C in C
 
#7
exile1 said:
CMH is like the VC and only given for serious feats of bravery. I know Mike Thornton CMH USN navy seal who won his in Vietnam. If you google his name you will see what he did. Nails.
Done and yep!
 
#8
The CMH is saluted by all US Officers and servicemen regardless of rank.
Not so sure there is any QR about saluting a VC recipient, it could be a case of copying the Septics but for once I'm happy to do it.
 
#9
Mazur_UK said:
I thought that everyone has to salute a VC, even the C in C
Me too......so does that mean that a VC winner never has to salute anyone, being that they automatically get saluted first?

P
 
#11
In my early service as a junior, we were told that a VC, boarding a ship, or entering a Naval Establishment, was entitled to a "present" from the (gangway) sentry, and a full "man the side" and salute, from gangway staff. I also recall (?), that during the 60s, when instructing at Raleigh, the same applied.

2BM
 
#12
Please note - not "Congressional Medal of Honor(sic)" but simply "Medal of Honor(sic)"
 

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#14
im_a_mong_cpl said:
Having spoken to Yanks in Baghdad while on Telic all the ribbons you see on their uniform aren't all for ops or bravery etc. They get ribbons for each posting, adventure trg etc they do. One thing that did make me laugh is that if an American Herc flies over NI on the way to Germany or alike, they are entitled to a NI medal!
It's the US way of recording service - the idea being that you can look at a soldier's medals and determine what he's done in the Forces, where he served and when etc etc. It's their way and it works for them.
 
#15
IIRC having spoken to some USAF guys from RAF Croughton each of the ribbons does not equate to a medal. However one US Army Lt Col had about 5 rows of miniatures on his mess dress!

The American habit of dishing gong's out like smarties does detract from their worth,.........doesn't it?
I don't believe that bravery awards are dished out like smarties. But it does look strange when you see a US serviceman in No.2 dress equivalent showing ribbons and wearing medals where the number of medals is far smaller than the number of ribbons.
 
#16
im_a_mong_cpl said:
One thing that did make me laugh is that if an American Herc flies over NI on the way to Germany or alike, they are entitled to a NI medal!
not true, it is actually a medal for an overseas posting.

US Overseas

My next door neighbour is a US Army Maj on attachment to RMAS told me a while ago that the NI thing is a total urban legend.

Full list of septic gongs
 
#18
During the Second World War, four Chaplains showed extreme heroism and made great sacrifice after the torpedoing of their transport ship in the North Atlantic. The four Lieutenants, Rev. George L. Fox, Methodist; Rabbi Alexander D. Goode, Jewish; Fr. John P. Washington, Roman Catholic; and Rev. Clark V. Poling, Dutch Reformed, quickly and quietly spread out among the soldiers. They tried to calm the frightened, tend the wounded and guide the disoriented toward safety. When there were no more lifejackets in the storage room, the chaplains removed theirs and gave them to four frightened young men. As the ship went down, survivors in nearby rafts could see the four chaplains--arms linked and braced against the slanting deck. Their voices could also be heard offering prayers.
That night Reverend Fox, Rabbi Goode, Reverend Poling, and Father Washington passed life's ultimate test. In doing so, they became an enduring example of extraordinary faith, courage, and selflessness.

The Distinguished Service Cross and Purple Heart were awarded posthumously 19 Dec 1944, to the next of kin by Lt. Gen. Brehon B. Somervell, Commanding General of the Army Service Forces, in a ceremony at the post chapel at Fort Myer, VA.

A posthumous Special Medal for Heroism, never before given and never to be given again, was authorized by Congress and awarded by the President 18 Jan 1961. Congress wished to confer the Medal of Honor but was blocked by the stringent requirements which required heroism performed under fire. The special medal was intended to have the same weight and importance as the Medal of Honor.


And you cant say these were handed out will nilly either!
Was at Stirling Castle at the Argyls museum and was moved by reading about when a whole battalion of the 95th did a similar thing. Troopship ran aground off South Africa in the late 1800's and once they had got the women and children to safety there were no boats left so the whole battalion formed up and stood shoulder to shoulder while the ship went down!

I would have been blubbling like a baby!
 

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#19
I'm sure it was the Shropshires that did that, the boat thing. Anyway the Yanks certainly show their quals and service on their uniform, something we are getting close to doing with all the badges. The NI thing is a myth but they do record their overseas service on their ribbon row. CMH/MoH whatever it is called is often only given out to dead people as you rarely earn it and survive, a bit like the VC.
having checked the Birkenhead went down withThe HLI onboard;
Birkenhead
The 43rd also did the same:More of the same
Must be an LI thing!
 
#20
Im_bored said:
meiktilaman said:
I would have been blubbling like a baby!
I'll put on a frock and push you onto the lifeboat in a pram.
Cheers mate howevr we may look like we should be on Little Britain but i would game to try anything! lol
 

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