UVF Centenary celebrations

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From the piece......

"In a nod to the UVF's historic past, many of those taking part in yesterday's parade wore period costume from 1913.
But the paramilitary chiefs who make up its current leadership stuck to suits similar to those favoured by Mafia dons."
 

skid2

LE
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UVF flags all over lamposts in east Belfast. Billed as the 1913 flag and nothing to do with the current crop. It has a head and shoulders drawing of Carson Craig and Crawford ( Crawford may actually have been cashiered from the British Army)
Despite the protestations that this was a community cultural affair. No cameras were allowed and the speeches weren't recorded or reported.
TV crews were told to stop filming.
A perfectly acceptable example of loyalist culture.

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In light of the recent celebrations of the formation of the U.V.F , we must not forget that the U.V.F formed in 1913 are clearly not the same organization as the modern day so called U.V.F, and have no direct link to the real one, and are only masquerading under the same name from the late 60s early 70s. The U.V.F is held in quite high regarded by unionists in Ireland as an important part of their Britishness and willingness to fight for that right in foreign battlefields. after its formation it went n in 1916 to fight in the battle of the Somme as part of the 36th (ulster) Division and made up one of the 12 or so British Divisions who took part in the opening offensive on the 1st of july. Similar to many other English Div. on the line at that time , it was part of the new army, and due to its locality directed recruiting and manning, when its casualty toll of the 1st day of the offensive came in at 5500, and ulster being not a overly populous place at that time, means that barley a family was untouched by the worst kind of news shortly after the battle. Again this is an important part of N. Ireland Unionist heritage to this day and must and means a lot to a lot of people. Also not forgetting the reasons it was formed, which was to fight the Nationalists in the impending civil war between the pro British and pro independent in Ireland , which was only prevented by the outbreak of war with Germany. Again a testimony to the will of Unionists wish to remain British .The modern day so called U.V.F yes have taken a part in these celebrations (who I am in no way trying to defend) but must not be the focus point by spectators and media, but we must remember THE U.V.F who walked the bloody road to the Somme.
 

skid2

LE
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While we're at it the Newfoundlanders, the Newfies hold the record for greatest percentage loss on the Somme.
By day two they were for all intents and purposes wiped out.
Sometimes you get the idea that the 36th Ulster Division were the only crowd who showed up on July the 1st.
These days, dope dealers and thugs. Its probably a good job there are no surviving members of the original UVF to see whats being done in their name.
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I merely stated that this was part of the contribution that was made by Ulster men and the U.V.F was there, and im quite sure that I didn't indicate it was a competition of casualties, just stated some of the reasons for there place in Unionist heritage, and I absolutely did not state that '36th Ulster Division were the only crowd who showed up on July the 1st' I didn't know it wasn't allowed to celebrate units on an individual basis?
Again I don't defend the modern day lot called the same, just trying not to let more modern day events or circumstances overshadow history.
 
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I beg to differ, when the drum being banged is for the fallen I don't think that is true.
how long are we going to continue with the act of remembrance in November? when will it be deemed too long????
 
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Oh you mean that they did the same thing a young men from all over Europe and beyond did?

Well, whoopty do! Let's have a parade.
 
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I beg to differ, when the drum being banged is for the fallen I don't think that is true.
how long are we going to continue with the act of remembrance in November? when will it be deemed too long????
Perhaps a century after the last lad dies in war, who knows?
 
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ok so forget the fallen , forget history, do not acknowledge past, and dare not celebrate anything that didn't happen 30 seconds ago??? sound about right??? and the was no United Ireland 30 seconds later, a thing called partition the creation of the Irish republic and Northern Ireland which remained part of the United Kingdom, United???? no.
 
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ok so forget the fallen , forget history, do not acknowledge past, and dare not celebrate anything that didn't happen 30 seconds ago??? sound about right??? and the was no United Ireland 30 seconds later, a thing called partition the creation of the Irish republic and Northern Ireland which remained part of the United Kingdom, United???? no.
The rest of the world seem to be remarkably adept at remembering those who serve/served, those who live with the costs of service and those who fell.
And they seem to do it without the marching around all & sundry, "honouring" of domestic terrorists and tootling flutes that amuses one section of the NI community.

I'm afraid the rest of your post makes no sense to me whatsoever.
 
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ok so now we are forgetting culture aswell, ok . As for the celebrating of domestic terrorists????? im sorry but you are falling into the trap of letting a small minority well publicised overshadow the true point of the celebrations, im certain that the U.V.F in 1913 where not labelled domestic terrorists, it cant be stopped from unsavoury people attending public events and putting in there share of whatever brand of whatever it is they claim to represent. and ref the rest of the world only celebrating soldiers who are serving or have served??? with the internet at your fingertips to google any countrys name and remembrance service, I don't know really don't know why you would say that.
 
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You mean the culture of winding up the taigs? Yes. I'm all for forgetting it.

And I'm sorry but you're falling into the trap of thinking that anyone who takes up arms against the democratically elected government of their country is anything other than a domestic terrorist. Same shit, different year.

There's nothing "British" about the UVF.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
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You mean the culture of winding up the taigs? Yes. I'm all for forgetting it.

And I'm sorry but you're falling into the trap of thinking that anyone who takes up arms against the democratically elected government of their country is anything other than a domestic terrorist. Same shit, different year.

There's nothing "British" about the UVF.
You've never had afternoon tea in the Belvoir Bar?

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ok, so you couldn't get a parking space at the parade. not my fault.

As you are the lone warrior in the fight against terrorism, I support you mr biscuits, believe me I do, But I think its quite ignorant of you to deem anyone in N Ireland who supports band parades as sectarian.
And your idea that the U.V.F in 1913 as terrorists? really, England if needs be withstand and all that, I do know my history, u mite do also, but terrorists??? cmon now, in the 36th Div???? who fought in the somme???? Go to 1 R Irish on the 1st of july and say that.
Really must dash here, have to go and serve, am I entitled to a parade????? sorry I guess not, I like a bit of marching band music sorry im obviously sectarian or a terrorist, OUT
 
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ok, so you couldn't get a parking space at the parade. not my fault.

As you are the lone warrior in the fight against terrorism, I support you mr biscuits, believe me I do, But I think its quite ignorant of you to deem anyone in N Ireland who supports band parades as sectarian.
And your idea that the U.V.F in 1913 as terrorists? really, England if needs be withstand and all that, I do know my history, u mite do also, but terrorists??? cmon now, in the 36th Div???? who fought in the somme???? Go to 1 R Irish on the 1st of july and say that.
Really must dash here, have to go and serve, am I entitled to a parade????? sorry I guess not, I like a bit of marching band music sorry im obviously sectarian or a terrorist, OUT
Could take you to numerous members of the Royal Irish who would be quite happy to see parade perverts and sash mongers stuck in a tank with their republican opposite numbers and forced to fight to stay above the level of slowly rising liquid shit.

As for the 1st of July, men fought and died as members of the British Army, not an armed insurrectionist organisation lead by a megalomaniacal religious zealot who opposed the Government of the UK. That they belonged to such is their sin to be forgiven, not their achievement to be recalled.

They will be remembered on 11/11 along with every other soul, regardless of it's creed, colour or fondness for Lambeg drums.
 

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