USS Liberty - Dead in the Water

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It wasn't sunk, it was towed back to Malta, we used to pass the time on watch counting the holes in it whilst it was in dry dock. Was in the Med when the incident happened. We were patrolling off the Libyan, Egyptian coast waiting to take off British nationals. The ship stuck it's nose in where it wan't wanted and paid the consequences, the Israelis mistook it for an old Egyptian horse trading vessel. We weren't far away when it was going on and when the ships radar picked up the Israeli planes heading our way we ran up so many Union jacks and White Ensigns it look like Belfast on the 12 July
 
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Dead In The Water - The Sinking of the USS Liberty


A compelling documentry the survivors are humble men that wouldn't lie nor fabricate there claims yet there calls for an public enquiry still go unanswered ..



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I was a little skeptical about an institutional cover-up until I read the statements and affidavits of Captain Ward Boston USN and Admiral Merlin Staring the USN Judge Advocate General > Statement of Rear Admiral Merlin H. Staring, JAGC, USN (Ret.) | USS Liberty Cover Up - > Affidavit of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)

That the IDF confused the USS Liberty with the Egyptian horse freighter El Quseir on a clear and cloudless day is beyond belief. Why a public inquiry was blocked for the attack on the most highly decorated ship in USN history and how the IDF knew what frequencies to jam to prevent the Liberty calling for help are just a couple of the questions that still remain to be answered. Unfortunately all relevant US official documents have been sealed - probably to avoid embarrassing the Izzies.

There was a lot going on that day, including the IDF massacre of POW's at Al Arish and an IDF attack on a USAF ECR1 aircraft that was monitoring the attack on the Liberty.

The US Congress - finest politicians a Shekel can buy.
 
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That the IDF confused the USS Liberty with the Egyptian horse freighter El Quseir on a clear and cloudless day is beyond belief.
The USS Liberty has a central superstructure, with one funnel right in the middle, and a radio mast at each end, whereas the El Quseir has a central superstructure, with one funnel right in the middle, and a radio mast at each end. I doubt those who study a picture of each one side by side from the comfort of their house and proclaim that the differences are obvious have ever stood on a moving platform trying to look at a moving vessel some distance away through binoculars, then tried to compare it with a picture in a book. A clear and cloudless day in that area would, I bet, mean that there was a good chance of some glare.

bergen said:
... how the IDF knew what frequencies to jam to prevent the Liberty calling for help ...
Didn't their initial broadcast get heard? Does this not suggest that the jamming station picked up the frequencies on which they were transmitting, and then jammed those frequencies.
 
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The USS Liberty has a central superstructure, with one funnel right in the middle, and a radio mast at each end, whereas the El Quseir has a central superstructure, with one funnel right in the middle, and a radio mast at each end. I doubt those who study a picture of each one side by side from the comfort of their house and proclaim that the differences are obvious have ever stood on a moving platform trying to look at a moving vessel some distance away through binoculars, then tried to compare it with a picture in a book. A clear and cloudless day in that area would, I bet, mean that there was a good chance of some glare.

Didn't their initial broadcast get heard? Does this not suggest that the jamming station picked up the frequencies on which they were transmitting, and then jammed those frequencies.
Sounds almost word for word from the Izzie's excuse book and thoroughly discredited on the USS Liberty's web-site.

Quite apart from the fact that the IDF had identified the Liberty earlier in the day during several recce over-flights, the El Quseir was stranded in Alexandria harbour at the time.

I spent a few weeks in the comfort of my house last year but also spent 230 days at sea on the bridge of a DP3 class construction vessel. To confuse the USS Liberty with the El Qureir is simply unbelievable.

 
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Presumably the two ships weren't handily parked next to each other to allow the Israelis to compare their sizes when the attack happened?
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The IDF was 100% aware that the El Quseir had been tied up and out of service in Alexandria for years


ETA: Pictures on the MTB's bridge card… clearly shows a SMALL ship.

 
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Presumably the two ships weren't handily parked next to each other to allow the Israelis to compare their sizes when the attack happened?
Did my mention of the fact that the El Quseir was stranded in Alexandria harbour lead you to this amazing conclusion or did you figure it out all on your lonesome? Must be why this thread is posted in The Intelligence Cell.
 
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Of course, all these fine theories fail to address the central fact of why Israel would deliberately attack a US ship, and why American politicians would take the risk of covering it up, even if bribed - American politicians have no shortage of opportunities for graft.
 
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Sounds almost word for word from the Izzie's excuse book and thoroughly discredited on the USS Liberty's web-site.

Quite apart from the fact that the IDF had identified the Liberty earlier in the day during several recce over-flights, the El Quseir was stranded in Alexandria harbour at the time.

I spent a few weeks in the comfort of my house last year but also spent 230 days at sea on the bridge of a DP3 class construction vessel. To confuse the USS Liberty with the El Qureir is simply unbelievable.

And that sounds to me like a tinfoil-hat wearing statement of something which appears obvious, but isn't. The silhouettes you show are so obviously different that no-one could possibly confuse the two. The trouble is, as Fr Ted had to explain to Fr Dougal, "Now concentrate this time, Dougal. These (pointing to plastic cows on table) are very small; those (pointing out of the window) are far away..."

usslibertyenquiry.com said:
Below is a montage of El Quseir and USS Liberty. Can you tell which ship is El Quseir and which is USS Liberty? Try covering the top part of the rear-half of each ship, from about the middle of each ship's stack. Can you still tell them apart? If you're having trouble seeing the difference, then it's likely that you don't want to see the difference; and, perhaps, that was the case with the MTB commanders.
That is a good attempt at trying to manipulate people into believing that they are prejudiced by being unable to immediately spot the difference, but as I said, the main features of each vessel are strikingly similar, and without the benefit of scale, it would be very difficult to tell them apart at a distance especially when viewed from a fast-moving MTB. The pictures below are from the usslibertyenquiry.com website, Look at the bottom two, either from as far away from your screen as you can get, or zoom out, and see how when the detail starts to diminish, the main features of both ship are virtually indistinguishable from each other. Can you still tell them apart? If you're not having trouble seeing the difference, then it's likely that you don't want to admit the similarity; and, perhaps, that is the case with the USS Liberty pressure group.
 

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Didn't their initial broadcast get heard? Does this not suggest that the jamming station picked up the frequencies on which they were transmitting, and then jammed those frequencies.
Which sounds like a pretty deliberate act done in the full knowledge that it was a USN ship being attacked ? Anyway you look at it the idea of an "accidental" attack, mistaken ID etc etc all look like utter and total bollix. The Zionists knew what they were up to.

I'd guess someone got "The Boys Book of Battered Boats" out after the event to look for something that looked like USS Liberty ....


...anyone know how long it look for the "mistaken ID" claim to appear ?
 
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Did my mention of the fact that the El Quseir was stranded in Alexandria harbour lead you to this amazing conclusion or did you figure it out all on your lonesome? Must be why this thread is posted in The Intelligence Cell.

Look, get with the Izzy program!

Prior to the attack on USS Liberty, the IDF are to be viewed as the most awesome military force on the planet.

During the attack on the USS Liberty, we have to assume the IDF magically become a force of utter incompetents who accidentally attack for a sustained period using multiple forces, a huge AGR they have been correctly identifying and plotting all morning after magically 'mistaking' it for a tiny derelict horse carrier just before attacking it with jets and MTB's.

After the attack on USS Liberty, the IDF are once more to be viewed as the most awesome military force on the planet.


Makes perfect sense.
 
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That is a good attempt at trying to manipulate people into believing that they are prejudiced by being unable to immediately spot the difference, but as I said, the main features of each vessel are strikingly similar, and without the benefit of scale, it would be very difficult to tell them apart at a distance especially when viewed from a fast-moving MTB. /QUOTE]




That would be 'fast moving MTB's that are within 1,000yds and have people on the bridge with 7x50's??

If they mistook the size by the factor the apologists claim, how did they get the correct shooting angle for the torpedoes?

If they thought they were shooting at the tiny El Qusir, their firing solution for the torpedo attack would have been miles off.
 
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But why would they attack a US ship? Or is means and opportunity enough by itself, motive be damned?
Easy. The Zionists are ARROGANT beyond belief. They were sending a very heavy handed message to the US to butt out, secure in the knowledge that the US would do SFA about it - and they were right. See " Spying on your allies Nuclear Secrets" etc.


State Department spokesman Tom Casey said Israel would be informed of the case against Mr Kadish. "Twenty-plus years ago, during the Pollard case, we noted that this was not the kind of behaviour we would expect from friends and allies, and that would remain the case today," he said.
 
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"Prior to the attack on USS Liberty, the IDF are to be viewed as the most awesome military force on the planet."
Absolutely not actually.
The big reputation breakthrough came as a result of its victories in the six day war and that wasn't due to it being the most awesome mil force on the planet rather the way it used its extremely limited resources and manpower to deal with the imminent military threat from three neighbouring countries. The tank corps consisted of
WW2 vintage Shermans, Centurions and AMX 13's.
 
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That would be 'fast moving MTB's that are within 1,000yds and have people on the bridge with 7x50's??
The picture you have conveniently does not show the smoke which was obscuring parts of the Liberty. The target classification by the MTBs took place from a distance of some 15 miles, at which time gunfire was observed from the Liberty. As the MTBs closed to 2000 yards, they came under fire. No further classification was then needed, they had a hostile target.

If they mistook the size by the factor the apologists claim, how did they get the correct shooting angle for the torpedoes?

If they thought they were shooting at the tiny El Qusir, their firing solution for the torpedo attack would have been miles off.
They would have updated their firing solution as they closed. They would have re-assessed course and speed of the target vessel. It would have been a dynamic act,
 

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But why would they attack a US ship? Or is means and opportunity enough by itself, motive be damned?
When I watched the doccu linked above 2 theories were proposed. The more credible was that the ship had recorded some form of ELINT the red sea pedestrians didn't want leaked. The other was called Opperation Cyanide and was a bit tin-foil hat. CIA opperation to provide covert aid to Israel against Eygpt that was seen as a puppet of the USSR. Part of the opperation it was suggested was providing a casus beli for the US to invade Eygpt and replace Nasser with a more pro-west leader. As I said, tin-foil hat. BUT the CIA was doing a lot of tin-foil hat type shit at that time (exploding cigars, and poisoned wet suits and boot polish for Castro just three examples).
 

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