USS John S McCain collides with merchant ship

The McCain turned hard left eh.. Who would have thunk it.
 

Auld-Yin

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They look pretty blameless based on that. They were transmitting AIS and holding a steady course.
But their bridge was not manned to company SOPs. True they did what they could but there is still the fact that the watch was undermanned.
 

endure

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But their bridge was not manned to company SOPs. True they did what they could but there is still the fact that the watch was undermanned.

As opposed to the JSM which had 11 watchkeepers on the bridge at the time of the collision....
 

Auld-Yin

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As opposed to the JSM which had 11 watchkeepers on the bridge at the time of the collision....
Quite so, and the USN fix is to increase manning, albeit to address fatigue also.
 

Bouillabaisse

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But their bridge was not manned to company SOPs. True they did what they could but there is still the fact that the watch was undermanned.
They could have 30 people on the bridge and not done much about it. Collision regs and good seamanship dictate that they stand on as they did and their ability to manoeuvre was limited. Its standard practice to share the blame a bit in marine collisions. Like blaming pilot error if he's dead.
 
Well CDR Alfredo Sanchez has pled guilty.
The article gives a few more details of the incident.

US Naval Institute News
 
Also, SECNAV has decided that VADM Rowden, in charge of USN surface forces will retire as RADM ROwden.

US Naval Institute News
 

endure

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Well CDR Alfredo Sanchez has pled guilty.
The article gives a few more details of the incident.

US Naval Institute News

"Prior to the plea agreement, Sanchez could have faced more serious charges including negligent homicide and hazarding a vessel, which could have resulted in jail time, according to a January decision by naval reactors director Adm. James F. Caldwell. "

"In the court-martial, Sanchez admitted he acted against the recommendation of his operations officer, navigator and executive officer."

"A ship’s sea and anchor detail include a U.S. warship’s most experienced ship handlers that are put on the watch bill when the ship enters difficult operating areas. Instead, Sanchez ordered the more experienced watch team to get an extra hour of sleep and said he would supervise the less experienced crew on the bridge.

During the transit, a change in settings on the ship’s new digital integrated bridge and navigation system caused the 18-year-old helmsman to lose control of McCain when the steering function was transferred to another terminal on the bridge.

“We put this on this 18-year-old,” Sanchez said."


Jail time? He ought to be keelhauled and then, if he's still breathing, flogged round the fleet.

How the ferk did he get to be a Commander?
 
Cross-decking.
Nothing carrier related but interesting...

I've had a very brief look at the linked report, and to be honest, Rear Admiral Bill Galinis appears at first glance to be a bit of a dick.
 
Cross-decking.


I've had a very brief look at the linked report, and to be honest, Rear Admiral Bill Galinis appears at first glance to be a bit of a dick.
"Commonality" per se, is not a bad idea, but when it comes to mission critical systems, you need to have a bit more thought going into, rather than they just think " they will be alright," and stick them across various platforms. The problem Boeing is having right now with their 737 range...If it's cars or something, easier to implement/ recall but not easy on differing platforms where lives are at stake...may look outwardly similar sometimes, but not necessarily so inside.
 

merchantman

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Seems repairs to the John S McCain are about complete:

London, Oct 29 -- A press report, dated today, states: The guided missile destroyer USS John S. McCain, which was involved in a collision with the merchant vessel Alnic MC in August 2017, resulting in the death of 10 sailors, began at-sea testing this week. The warship is conducting comprehensive at-sea testing out of its Japan home port, the Navy announced this week. USS John S. McCain’s crew completed their in-port training phase and will spend several months at sea to certify that the ship can return to operations, according to the Navy announcement. Navigation, damage control, communications, combat systems and other parts of the ship will be tested during this time. While undergoing repairs in Yokosuka, Japan, the ship’s computer network, antenna systems, radar and berthing were all upgraded as well.
 
 
Slightly dramatic, but misses nuance of the error chain.
 
Slightly dramatic, but misses nuance of the error chain.

#All RN captains bear a more than passing resemblence to Alan Partridge.
And you will be fully "Allanised" soon.

I have no idea what bearing this has on maritime collision incidents involving non-UK navies.

Still pertinent though.
 

NSP

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"Glass cockpit" bridge layouts implicated in USS McCain and Fitzgerald collisions:-

 
"Glass cockpit" bridge layouts implicated in USS McCain and Fitzgerald collisions:-

Unfamiliarity with the touch screens contributed to two accidents that caused the deaths of 17 sailors, said incident reports.

Poor training meant sailors did not know how to use the complex systems in emergencies, they said.
 

bob231

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This, to me, is a very strong indicator of a solution looking for a problem. The advantages of changing the ship-driver's* controls from a physical handwheel and throttle(s) are absolutely minimal; the drawback in terms of retraining, comparative unreliability and simple lack of intuitive behaviour are massive.

What on earth moved them to this sort of daft decision?

*Translated from the Navy
 

endure

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So they have touch screens instead of wheels and telegraphs? A recipe for disaster if ever there was one.

Just imagine trying to drive your car with a touch screen instead of a steering wheel and accelerator.
 

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