USN - LCS, one for each theatre...

#1
http://defensetech.org/2012/05/22/o...-one-lcs-class-for-the-pacific/#idc-container

Seems like the plan, since the USN can't make up its mind over the two LCS designs, is that they'll use one hull in the middle east in the tighter waters (USS Freedom, the conventional one) and use the bigger USS Independence trimeran in the Pacific where range counts.


Regardless, they still haven't worked out anything more than a 57mm gun and a couple of .50cal and you have to think, how much use can they really be with just those.... I guess two helo spots and 40kt top speed makes them useful of anti-piracy.
 
#2
Even the US grown ups now admit the Little Crappy Ship won't last five minutes in a shooting war. The poor sods who have to serve on them are starting to refer to them as suicide boats.
Everyone agrees they are a fatally flawed concept forced on the Navy by a Sec Def with a 'vision' and convinced that speed was a great thing but seemingly oblivious to the fact you just send off your 160kt helicopter to chase fast things rather than design a 4,000 ton Haze Grey go fast.
Problem is, so much political capital has been sunk into LCS tbere is no going back now.


http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_05_09_2012_p0-456228.xml
 
#3
It needs missile systems. Decent ones - the US Army really screwed the USN over by cancelling NLOS. Granted, understandable why if the things just, weren't, working... But frustrating for the USN all the same
 
#4
It needs missile systems. Decent ones - the US Army really screwed the USN over by cancelling NLOS. Granted, understandable why if the things just, weren't, working... But frustrating for the USN all the same
Apparently the new cunning plan is to improve their cruising speed on diesels and use them as primarily ASW platforms. Some talk of the Yanks buying Sonar 2087 to go on them.
 
#5
But but they are the most awesome warships ever made and all the other navys are jealous because they are stuck with frigates:)
 
#8
The are barely leading the field when it comes to navel ships, sure there ships are fast and scary looking but we have the balls and the weaponry. Not only that we have a better sense of technology

Plus brains in our heads
 
#10
Its nice to see that its not only UK defence procurement that's FUBAR. The only thing these ships are good for is anti-piracy and drug smuggling interdiction, but the outrageous cost means that the US politicians need to think of a somewhat more glamorous role to avoid pissing off the taxpayers too much.
 
#11
The are barely leading the field when it comes to navel ships, sure there ships are fast and scary looking but we have the balls and the weaponry. Not only that we have a better sense of technology

Plus brains in our heads
Ummmm...
 
#13
I thought these two ships (especially the trimaran) were experimentals, now they are takinga spot in the line?

I honestly expected Independance to end up like the stealth boat... sold off as a research vessel or to teh USCG or something.

It has a number of advantages, ie the width of the rear for modules, RORO for expeditionary vehicles and a wider heli pad area...

I sometimes wonder if this sort of thing is killed off because it is different, and people can't think of anyother way of doing things.

That said, it could do with some rockets...

The PLAN have used a Catamaran design for their stealth missile boats... Houbei class missile boat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
#18
Think of the positives though, no more will a pussers sleek grey fitted for but not with war canoe sidle up alongside a Yank ship that's armed with enough weapons to shoot down the Death Star and feel all inferior.

"Jeez Yank, that's one helluva OPV ya got there'.;P
 
#20
A few stats on the LCS 2 (USS Independence) trimaran.

It isn't really (IMVHO) a Frigate Light.



Under that flight deck is a space nearly 1500m2. According to the wiki 4 lanes of stykers, armoured humvees and associated troops. A lift to the flight deck can move 20m shipping containers down in to this area, whilst at sea.

So the boat could have all manner of high tech wizardry attached later (elint, sigint, sat control, SEALs, scientific research, or even hospital kit)... as long as it can be put in to 20m modules or work from 20m modules.

And with a top speed of 44 knots, it can get them to where they need to be swiftly. You can lob stuff down a rear ramp, or off a side ramp too. (I am not sure if there is a ramp on the Port side, but there is one on the Starboard). The trimaran design allows greater stabilty in rough water.

Freedom has space for only two shipping containers, and it doesn't appear anything can be done with them at sea.

The yanks are apprantly ordering 10 more boats in EACH class.

The 'mission module' idea has been taken up by the Absalon class of the Royal Dutch Navy too.

Absalon class support ship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Absalon's 'mission modules' can be missles, firing vertically. I suppose both Freedom and Independence LCS could do the same... but only if you cut holes in the flight deck...

Absalon is also classed as a 'command and support ship' or just 'support ship' rather than anything about combat or 'light frigate'.
 

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