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Used Car Dealers, Is There A Lower Form of Life?

Does anyone drive a used Toyota Yaris hybrid. My ego demands an ******** Usually Drives It, but logically for what we do we need an economical small car. We do not have a Toyota dealer on the island so does it need specialist servicing that requires a visit to Inverness? That would knock off any savings made by fuel, road tax, etc. How has your experience been with one?
Island ?? whats wrong with a pony and cart ?
 

W21A

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I was thinking, what's wrong with the island tradition of having an island car, which is a 30 year old wreck with no mot or road tax...
Certain islands only - those with no MOT station. We may not have a Toyota garage, but we have an MOT station.
 

OneTenner

LE
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Which is why I use a local garage instead. My front offside wheel bearing needed replacing to pass MoT. I purchased the part from from Europarts for £71 and they installed it for £99. The local Ford dealership came up with a figure of £350 overall for exactly the same work. Fcuk 'em!
It's not 'exactly the same work' though, for a start, the dealer will be using OEM quality parts, and may be changing other displaced parts as per Manufacturers spec. such as bolts, nuts etc. and possibly wheel alignment. Also, the parts warranty will cover the replacement of the wheel bearing should it fail during the warranty period at any Ford dealer. You won't get that from Europarts or your local garage if you're three hundred miles away. Granted, it is a big saving and if you don't travel far it makes sense, but it's not a like-for-like comparison, in the same way as Kwik-Fit brakes are in no way comparable to OEM parts, yes, they will make the car slow to a halt but they have no longevity and will chew your brake discs to shreds (I suspect by intent).
 
If you have got an old shitbox that needs to get a fresh mot before you sell it then they are the way forward.
Its tough, but if they don't buy it off of you then they will from someone else.
 
Viscous coupling from BMW £150.00.
From the same factory sourced from europarts £30.00.
Told to me by a mate who was starting up his own business supplying european car parts.
 

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
Viscous coupling from BMW £150.00.
From the same factory sourced from europarts £30.00.
Told to me by a mate who was starting up his own business supplying european car parts.
A lot of parts are from the same factory, but do not meet the quality / tolerance requirements so are sold as 'aftermarket' parts for a fraction of the price. - they're still fit for purpose but won't always last as long as a branded part - hence (part of) the price difference.
 
A lot of parts are from the same factory, but do not meet the quality / tolerance requirements so are sold as 'aftermarket' parts for a fraction of the price. - they're still fit for purpose but won't always last as long as a branded part - hence (part of) the price difference.
This bloke knew his stuff and they were the same part in a different box.
If you make VC couplings it does not pay, to retool to make different stuff.
Bm couplings are dogshit anyway, they always used to fail at about the 45.000 mark.
 
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OneTenner

LE
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This bloke knew his stuff and they were the same part in a different box.
If you make VC couplings it does not pay, too retool to make different stuff.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that mass manufacturing throws up variances in quality, those that pass the vehicle manufacturers specification go to them, those that don't, go to aftermarket sellers. No separate line (in most cases), component manufacturers can take hefty financial hits for substandard parts supplied to production so usually have robust inspection processes in place to separate the wheat from the chaff - it doesn't mean the aftermarket parts are 'poor' quality, just not up to production spec.
 
I bought mine from a small family concern they know what to look out for after 45 years at it
I think thats why they had 8 identical cars of the same make and model, they also get the holes in the roof welded up and repainted
I bought a Toyota 4Runner from a small family business - main dealer too. Brand spanking new 4wd silver - lovely. Trouble was i was in a small desert town at the edge of the empty quarter in KSA and it took about a week to get a bank draft over from UK. When I took the bank draft to the bank they would not accept it at first because part of it had been handwritten. So I pointed out the typewritten sort code and they relented...............so, off I went with my 9k GPB in Saudi Riyals and paid for the said motor all ready to drive it out of the show room. Now as anyone who has lived in KSA will know, almost all the 'front of shop' staff in decent amenities are actually Filipino usually pretending to be 'Italian' in a Restaurant or whatever. They present themselves as 'executive sales executives' in the motor industry, but have absolutely no authority.

On the day of the great purchase they guy got the keys and proceeded to take me through the buttons and controls except when he came to switch on the engine...............it wouldn't start. Turned out it had a flat battery. So I mustered sufficient patience and suggested he fit a new one. Oh I am sorry sir - but these is the battery that comes with the car..........you will have to buy a new one............ffffffffffffffffff And he meant it. I sold it to a Nigerian physician......plus ca battery.
 
I know you are defending the position of main dealers. I have worked for a few.
But i give you an example, My mum has a ten year old Honda jazz, She will take whatever the service advisor tells her as gospel.
They had sent her a letter offering an interim service plus MOT for £130.00, So i said take it, they will change the oil and filters and you get the ticket.
I walked in to pay the bill and they wanted an extra £130.00 to change the front windscreen wipers, as it was an advisory.
I was to f*cked off to argue as life is too short.
 
It's not 'exactly the same work' though, for a start, the dealer will be using OEM quality parts, and may be changing other displaced parts as per Manufacturers spec. such as bolts, nuts etc. and possibly wheel alignment. Also, the parts warranty will cover the replacement of the wheel bearing should it fail during the warranty period at any Ford dealer. You won't get that from Europarts or your local garage if you're three hundred miles away. Granted, it is a big saving and if you don't travel far it makes sense, but it's not a like-for-like comparison, in the same way as Kwik-Fit brakes are in no way comparable to OEM parts, yes, they will make the car slow to a halt but they have no longevity and will chew your brake discs to shreds (I suspect by intent).

The part in question was not a Ford part. The dealership offered me two options i.e. a standard compatible wheel bearing and a premium one, but neither were manufactured by Ford exclusively for Ford.
 

OneTenner

LE
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The part in question was not a Ford part. The dealership offered me two options i.e. a standard compatible wheel bearing and a premium one, but neither were manufactured by Ford exclusively for Ford.
Ford don't manufacture components, they build the vehicles - very few car manufacturers own component manufacturing plants, Volvo, LandRover, PSA and Renault come immediately to mind as some that do.
 

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
I know you are defending the position of main dealers. I have worked for a few.
But i give you an example, My mum has a ten year old Honda jazz, She will take whatever the service advisor tells her as gospel.
They had sent her a letter offering an interim service plus MOT for £130.00, So i said take it, they will change the oil and filters and you get the ticket.
I walked in to pay the bill and they wanted an extra £130.00 to change the front windscreen wipers, as it was an advisory.
I was to f*cked off to argue as life is too short.
I'm not - the situation you mention is clearly the dealers gouging.
The previous comments were related to parts manufacturers, supplier QA and car manufacturer standards.
Dealers are, and always have been an expensive option. What they can't / shouldn't do is work outside of the repair policies and procedures set out by the vehicle manufacturers as part of the franchise agreement. For example, most Ford parts departments are now operated by 'Ford Parts Plus' - an operation wholly owned and managed by Ford Europe, removing the option for Dealers to use aftermarket parts in on-premise repairs for Ford branded vehicles.
 
For peoples attention, you quite often find people selling genuine manufacturers parts on ebay actually from a dealership. For my sins I have a Renault and I can get pretty much anything from there or from a online parts directory from an an actual dealership. The parts and service items , genuine oil etc are usually much cheaper than eurocarparts.
I have previously bought genuine Ford , Saab and Vauxhall parts and service items from there as well.
 

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