USA to derail BA strike staffing plans and assist strike?

#1
US Union Giant Backs British Airways Strikers

A UK union threatening damaging British Airways cabin crew strikes is set to meet America's biggest transport union.

Sky News' business correspondent Joel Hills said a senior Unite figure was heading to Washington for talks with the Teamsters - a US union that has 1.4 million members.

BA is facing seven days of strikes in a long-running dispute over working conditions and pay.

Confirming the meeting, a Teamsters statement read: "We stand in solidarity with our brothers and sisters at Unite who are fighting for a fair contract at British Airways."

Hills said: "It's an expression of support, but doesn't say in what way, shape or form that support will be.

"We know that there have been gestures of support from unions from around the world, but it isn't clear at the moment precisely what they are proposing.

"The anxiety that passengers will have is; are they going to seek to assist Unite in disrupting the travel plans of British Airways passengers?"

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Bu...British_Airways_Cabin_Crew_Industrial_Action_
 
#2
Why isn't Unite getting a lot more support from the Brit public? Why aren't folks ringing up and demanding that BA makes a serious effort to reach a sensible compromise and end the strike? That way, the travelling public are happy, the strikers are happy with the conclusion and only the bullying BA management are highly pissed off that they "lost".

MsG
 
#3
Bugsy said:
Why isn't Unite getting a lot more support from the Brit public? Why aren't folks ringing up and demanding that BA makes a serious effort to reach a sensible compromise and end the strike? That way, the travelling public are happy, the strikers are happy with the conclusion and only the bullying BA management are highly pissed off that they "lost".

MsG
1. because the greedy left wing fcuker's get enough money as it is. (highest paid in the industry)
2. because the brit public don't support their strike

Hopefully, they'll go on strike and be told not to bother returning to work :twisted:
 
#5
exile1 said:
Is it an early April Fools joke? Leader of the Teamsters ..... James Hoffa?
Is he one of Jimmy's offspring?
Yes.....
 
#6
exile1 said:
Is it an early April Fools joke? Leader of the Teamsters ..... James Hoffa?
Is he one of Jimmy's offspring?
He's Jimmy Hoffa son.
 

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#7
exile1 said:
Is it an early April Fools joke? Leader of the Teamsters ..... James Hoffa?
Is he one of Jimmy's offspring?
Yep the very same

He was one of the first to endorse Obama

The maffia are going to need a large boot to get him into when he's finished
 
#8
Bugsy said:
Why isn't Unite getting a lot more support from the Brit public? Why aren't folks ringing up and demanding that BA makes a serious effort to reach a sensible compromise and end the strike? That way, the travelling public are happy, the strikers are happy with the conclusion and only the bullying BA management are highly pissed off that they "lost".

MsG
Is there a prize for the most blatent Wah ever.
Perhaps T shirts should be awarded.
Something along the lines of

'I got pissed at Heathrow for six hours, then told my flight was cancelled,
Oh how I laughed as I drove home pished out of my skull, and wiped out a full troop of Irish Travellers.

'
 
#9
I thought this thread was going to be about how USA Incorported could take this opportunity to try and put a big European competitor under stress by objecting to the use of improperly trained (improperly cleared) staff to fly into US airspace. Surprised the FAA, TSA & Homeland Security havent been up in arms about the "strike breaking" temporary cabin crew volunteers. Wasnt there a press story this week about a BA employee in court as a suspected Jihadi who had volunteered to fill in for the xmas strikes ?
 
#10
Just out of interest, this arrived in my mail box today.

British Airways - the truth

Unite cabin crew members at British Airways are now days away from strike action. Much of the media has portrayed the crew as overpaid, underworked and prepared to bring BA down to its knees. Nothing can be further from the truth.

The last thing BA crew want to do is to go on strike. In fact, the crew are preparing to take industrial action as a last resort because they care so much about BA and want the airline to have a future as a premier carrier.

In November 2009, BA imposed changes that cut over 1,000 crew members from flights, cuts that cabin crew believe have been a disaster for the on-board service quality. BA’s European flights have seen 25 per cent reductions in crew numbers and on long-haul flights crew compliments have seen reductions of between 1 and 3.

Unite crew members realise that BA is operating in tough financial conditions. That’s why they offered the airline £62m in savings – the same amount BA has saved by removing cabin crew from flights. Crew were prepared to compromise on crew numbers, take a pay cut, and take cuts in their terms and conditions. But no matter how much the union offered, BA simply refused to accept. Unite believes that all along BA was merely playing lip-service to the negotiating process. We believe that BA has another agenda entirely – smashing the collective voice of cabin crew.

BA’s management is becoming increasingly macho. Under Willie Walsh’s leadership the company has undertaken a range of union busting tactics. Most of the crew’s local union leaders are either suspended or awaiting disciplinaries. A further 30 union members have been suspended on spurious grounds. Staff are living in fear of who could be next. BA has also spent months encouraging other BA staff to help break the strike by training up as cabin crew.

BA has threatened to remove the travel concessions from any crew member who goes on strike – this is a particularly vindictive move when around one third of crew use it to commute to work.

The way forward

Unite and its members did not want this strike. But we have been left with no option because management will not listen.

We are, however, ready to resume talks at any time. Crew are prepared to offer compromise and flexibility.

This dispute can only be avoided if BA is prepared to make a serious attempt to finding a negotiated settlement. It could start by putting the offer the airline made last week back on the table so that Unite could give members the right to accept or reject BA's proposal. Unite is prepared to halt the strike while members are consulted and will stand by crew's decision. The ball is clearly in BA's court.

You can help

As usual in industrial disputes, some media and politicians are taking the side of the employer ignoring the genuine concerns of workers. You can help get BA crew’s message to a wider audience by forwarding this email to a friend. Check on Unite’s website to find out the real truth. www.unitetheunion.org/ba
Definately not saying I agree with it, but just to give the other side of the argument. I particularly like the bit about putting the offer rejected last week back on the table. Have they dropped a clanger and now realised they rejected a perfectly good deal but got too greedy?
 
#11
Anyone remember the 60s and 70s when unions ran the country and Wilson, Heath and Callaghan just gave in?

Great days they were! Chaotic, anarchic, shambolic!

Thankfully, we were then graced with a prime minister with 'serious balls and serious brain'. Result: Democracy 1 - Unions 0.
 
#12
Maybe the possble BA strike is a cunning plot.

Unite scares the wits out of the public at the prospect of Easter holidays being fouled up.

Brown makes all the right noises and infers he is bringing pressure to bar on Unite.

Unite cancels the strike.

Brown calls a general election and is swept back into power by a grateful electorate having just enjoyed its recent well earned holiday.

Unite then calls a strike in time for the Summer holidays and Brown washes his hands - got nothing to do with the Government.

Win win for Unite and Brown.
 
#13
British Airways - the truth


In November 2009, BA imposed changes that cut over 1,000 crew members from flights, cuts that cabin crew believe have been a disaster for the on-board service quality.
Having had some of my most shite BA experiences on near-empty aircraft, I'd contend that the on-board service quality mostly depends upon the attitude of the staff.....
 
#14
What bunch of dunces go on strike and risk their companies future so one CSD doesn't have to help out in the cabin on a flight, fcuking idiots.
 
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In simple terms the union want BA to go back to the old system where the CSD does not have to "work", and put another Purser back in the crew. At the same time crew to take a pay cut. If they do not get their way they are willing to bring BA down, end result everyone loses their jobs, except the union.

BA are saying there is no requirement for job cuts or pay cuts, the system has been running for about 6 months without a problem, CSDs were winging that they had to help out and work in club (often CSDs would help out anyway but now they have to). If BA have their way no change, everyone still on good money.

It is now a question of power who is the bigger unite or BA? Unite seem willing to see 1,000s of BA worker lose their jobs providing they do not back down to wee willie. If he wins wee willie sees this as an opportunity to push forward his one fleet concept, which is, I suspect, the root of the problem.

Its is a buggers muddle, two bully boys facing off, however unite seem more than willing to see job loses to win the argument.

bugsey: -

"Why isn't Unite getting a lot more support from the Brit public? Why aren't folks ringing up and demanding that BA makes a serious effort to reach a sensible compromise and end the strike? That way, the travelling public are happy, the strikers are happy with the conclusion and only the bullying BA management are highly pissed off that they "lost"."

Again good socialist thoughts lets smash the managment, what about: -

Why is BA getting a lot more support than unite from the Brit public? Why are folks ringing up and demanding that unite makes a serious effort to reach a sensible compromise and end the strike? That way, the travelling public are happy, the strikers are happy with the conclusion and only bullying unite are highly pissed off that they "lost".
 
#16
You may think this is a bit of union bashing. Oh no.

Just look at the efforts Unite have put in to trying to put their placepersons into safe Labour seats by stealth and "retaking" the Labour party on behalf of the unions and you will see where this is going.

"When I read that Derek Simpson, the boss of UNITE was meeting the Teamsters union, I almost burst out laughing. I'm not sure that the Teamsters and flight attendants would necessarily see eye to eye. But actually, it's no laughing matter.

You see, Simpson is a meglomaniac. Not content with controlling Britain's biggest union, he has grander designs. He's already on the record as wanting to create a pan European trade union but he sees creating a global trade union as the best way of combatting global capital and globalisation. No, really.

He's clearly bonkers, but madmen should never be underestimated. Simpson's term as UNITE boss finishes soon and he's looking for a new challenge. This strike may just offer him the opportunity he's been looking for. Be warned."


http://iaindale.blogspot.com/

The lovely Mr Simpson does appear to have the best interests of Union members at heart:

"The chief of the UK's largest trade union has been enjoying the use of a £399 hotel suite - to save on a 35-minute journey to his grace-and-favour home.

Derek Simpson, 64, the joint leader of Unite a close political ally of the Prime Minister, has spent several nights at the five-star Waldorf Hilton hotel in London - 600 yards from his office"


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...e-union-boss-stays-in-luxury-hotel-suite.html

"One of Britain’s most powerful union leaders has a secret house-for-life guarantee and enjoys pay and benefits worth nearly £200,000.

Derek Simpson, joint general secretary of Unite, has a deal to remain in his £800,000 grace-and-favour house in Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, until he dies, according to confidential documents obtained by The Times. His pay package also went up by 17 per cent. Under the terms of the agreement Mr Simpson’s partner can stay in the home at a heavily subsidised rate even after the death of the 64-year-old union leader."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5533387.ece
 
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Scarlet_and_Grey said:
Just out of interest, this arrived in my mail box today.

British Airways - the truth

The last thing BA crew want to do is to go on strike. In fact, the crew are preparing to take industrial action as a last resort because they care so much about BA and want the airline to have a future as a premier carrier.
That they are going on strike to p1ss off the very passengers it wants to keep. I can see the logic


... BA’s European flights have seen 25 per cent reductions in crew numbers and on long-haul flights crew compliments have seen reductions of between 1 and 3.

Nice arrse bitch - and the female cabin crew isn't too bad looking either. :twisted: On the other hand if they are worried about the crew complement......

BA has threatened to remove the travel concessions from any crew member who goes on strike – this is a particularly vindictive move when around one third of crew use it to commute to work.
They won't be working, they will be on strike


You can help get BA crew’s message to a wider audience by forwarding this email to a friend.
Tell them we now have the Mafia on our side
 
#18
Bugsy said:
Why isn't Unite getting a lot more support from the Brit public? Why aren't folks ringing up and demanding that BA makes a serious effort to reach a sensible compromise and end the strike? That way, the travelling public are happy, the strikers are happy with the conclusion and only the bullying BA management are highly pissed off that they "lost".

MsG
Isn't it a pity that you were not killed at the same time that the evil British soldiers slaughtered your entire family in a hail of .50 slugs turning their car into a colander?

Go and have a chicken supper and reminisce about the hero that your movement will never forget: Blobby Schands.
 
#19
I bet airlines around the world are rubbing their hands in glee, as this has the possibility of actually making BA fold.

Don't the staff realise that the money is not there anymore, profits are down the fact that flights are so cheap to remain competitive is an obvious combat indicator that airlines are strugglin.

I think Unite are making a rod for their own backs here. Seems every Xmas/Easter/Summer they are on strike, year in year out.

No sympathy, at least they have a job. we are after all in a ferking recession.
 
#20
If unions were so good at running businesses they'd already be doing it, on a large scale.

They can't, all they can do, at a national level, is break businesses, not make them.
 

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