US Training Muslims Who Vow to Use Against Israel

#1
I suppose we septics should not be too critical of the recent revelations of UK SF training Libyans. Here is another great example of "unintended consequences" that any idiot could have foreseen.

'American training will be utilized to kill Jews'
Muslim gunmen issue dire warning during sit-down interview
Posted: October 02, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

By Aaron Klein


NORTHERN WEST BANK – Training received at current American-run courses for Palestinian militia men will likely be utilized in the not too distant future to kill Israelis, U.S.-trained Palestinian gunmen told WND in an exclusive, in-person interview this week.

WND met seven members of the Palestinian Authority security forces who recently received training at U.S.-run bases as part of a stated effort to reform the PA's militias. All seven of the interview subjects formerly were leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terrorist group; some are suspected of still being involved with Brigades activities. They were all granted amnesty by Israel as part of a gesture to bolster PA President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah organization against Hamas.

The meeting took place at a restaurant in a northern West Bank city that had been known as one of several major strongholds of the Brigades, the declared military wing of Fatah responsible for scores of suicide bombings and deadly shootings against Israeli civilians.

The pardoned gunmen agreed to speak on condition their names be withheld and that WND does not print the name of the city in which the meeting took place, citing concerns over their current jobs in the PA's U.S.-backed security forces.

Some of the men present are notorious Brigades members.

Asked immediately why they agreed to be interviewed, one former Brigades leader replied, "Because we know people call us Dayton's poodles, and we want everyone to know that in the next intifada we will be the leaders."

"All the trainings we received from Dayton and company will not affect our loyalty to our people and the resistance," said the former Brigades leader.

The others present concurred.

The gunman was referring to Keith Dayton, the U.S. security coordinator to the Palestinian territories who has been overseeing the training of Palestinian militias.

Since the late 1990s, the U.S. has run training bases for PA militias. The U.S. also has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in financial aid and weapons to build up the PA militias.

The past two years, the U.S. stepped up its efforts at training the PA, running more advanced courses guided by Dayton, who in 2007 initiated an advanced program for Palestinian police that trains 500 to 600 cadets at a time at the American bases.

The U.S. currently operates training bases for the PA police and other militias, such as Force 17 and the Preventative Security Services in the West Bank city of Jericho and also at U.S.-operated bases in the Jordanian village of Giftlik.

Historically, many members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terrorist organization have served openly in the various PA militias, including in top positions. Starting in 2007, then-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert granted pardons for hundreds of Brigades members who were then folded into the PA's various militias full-time.

WND reported two weeks ago Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government has quietly continued the controversial practice of granting amnesty to Brigades terrorists despite the dismal track record under Olmert, when many of the pardoned Brigades members continued their involvement in anti-Israel terrorism after they received amnesty.

Speaking to WND, the Palestinian militia members were open about using their U.S.-training against Israel.

"We want a Palestinian state either through negotiations or through resistance," said one of the seven gunmen interviewed. "The minute we see the negotiations with Israel are in vain, we will lead the confrontation just like we led it in the last intifada."

Indeed, in that intifada, started after the Palestinians rejected an offer of a state in the summer of 2000, Fatah was responsible for far more terrorism than any other Palestinian group.

"Fatah was the leader of the revolution and will be the leader of any struggle against the occupation," another Fatah interview subject told WND.

"We cannot accept Dayton like we are garbage," he continued. "No, we are Palestinian patriots. What we received from Dayton, we will use when the day comes for a confrontation."

Even Dayton reportedly recently implied his training may be used against Israel.

Speaking at a May symposium organized by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, the Nation magazine quoted Dayton warning that if a Palestinian state is not created within two years, his Palestinian troops might not continue taking orders.

"With big expectations, come big risks," said Dayton. "There is perhaps a two-year shelf life on being told that you're creating a state, when you're not."

Robert Dreyfuss, the Nation blogger who was present for the speech, wrote, "To my ears, at least, his subtle warning is that if concrete progress isn't made toward a Palestinian state, the very troops Dayton is assembling could rebel."

Terrorist: 'U.S. training helped us kill Jews'

Already, basic U.S. training provided during the 1990s helped kill Israelis, according to a Fatah militant interviewed by WND in 2007. Current U.S. training is far more advanced, and, if turned against Israel, may result in higher casualties.

Abu Yousuf, a senior officer of Abbas' Force 17 Presidential Guard unit in Ramallah, described to WND in 2007 how his U.S. training helped him kill Israelis.

"I do not think that the operations of the Palestinian resistance would have been so successful and would have killed more than 1,000 Israelis since 2000 and defeated the Israelis in Gaza without these [American] trainings," said Yousuf.

Yousuf received U.S. training in Jericho in 1999 as a member of the Preventative Security Services. He is a Brigades chief in Ramallah, where he is accused of participating in anti-Israel terrorism, including recent shootings, attacks against Israeli forces operating in the city and a shooting attack in northern Samaria in December 2000 that killed Benyamin Kahane, leader of the ultranationalist Kahane Chai organization.

After the Kahane murder, Yousuf was extended refuge by Yasser Arafat to live in the late PLO leader's Ramallah compound, widely known as the Muqata. Yousuf still lives in the compound.

Olmert, while in office last year, granted Yousuf amnesty.

Speaking during a sit-down exclusive interview for the book "Schmoozing with Terrorists," Yousuf said his American training sessions were instrumental in killing Jews:

"All the methods and techniques that we studied in these trainings, we applied them against the Israelis," he said.

"We sniped at Israeli settlers and soldiers. We broke into settlements and Israeli army bases and posts. We collected information on the movements of soldiers and settlers. We collected information about the best timing to infiltrate our bombers inside Israel. We used weapons and we produced explosives, and of course the trainings we received from the Americans and the Europeans were a great help to the resistance."

Yousuf described his U.S.-provided training.

"I myself received American trainings in Jericho. Together with my Preventative comrades, I received trainings in intelligence methods and military trainings," he said. "In the intelligence part, we learned collection of information regarding suspected persons, how to follow suspected guys, how to infiltrate organizations and penetrate cells of groups that we were working on and how to prevent attacks and to steal in places.

"On the military level, we received trainings on the use of weapons, all kind of weapons and explosives," Yousuf said. "We received sniping trainings, work of special units especially as part of what they call the fight against terror. We learned how to put siege, how to break into places where our enemies closed themselves in, how to oppress protest movements, demonstrations and other activities of opposition.

"We also learned to discover agents that Israel tried to plant in our cells," he said.

Yousuf stressed he "isn't talking about U.S. training in order to irritate the Americans or the Israelis and not in order to create provocations."

"I'm just telling you the truth," he said. "We applied against Israel all that we learned from the Americans."

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=111674
 
#2
For an overview on the USSC mission:
Report to Congress which gives a very mixed review of the US and EU efforts...
 
#3
jumpinjarhead said:
Here is another great example of "unintended consequences" that any idiot could have foreseen.

Absolutely. Anyone who has toured the West Bank would know that the overwhelming opinion is that the Jews should be driven into the sea. So why train them to do so? Its asking for another generation of conflict, if you ask me.


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#4
tekirdag said:
jumpinjarhead said:
Here is another great example of "unintended consequences" that any idiot could have foreseen.

Absolutely. Anyone who has toured the West Bank would know that the overwhelming opinion is that the Jews should be driven into the sea. So why train them to do so? Its asking for another generation of conflict, if you ask me.


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Indeed.
 
#5
tekirdag said:
jumpinjarhead said:
Here is another great example of "unintended consequences" that any idiot could have foreseen.

Absolutely. Anyone who has toured the West Bank would know that the overwhelming opinion is that the Jews should be driven into the sea. So why train them to do so? Its asking for another generation of conflict, if you ask me.


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I'd not dispute that. But I think you'll find even harder line attitudes amongst the populations of the Gulf Kingships, Egypt and recently Iraq. Surprisingly Pals poll as much less hostile to Israel than most of the Arab Street.

We exchange massive amounts of military aid with these countries. They buy our arms. Rabidly anti-Semitic Saudi is the single biggest customers for our very lucrative weapons systems.

We also have long relationships with their armed services, the UK being particularly intimate with Jordon, which fought rather well against Israel under British officers.

That the despotic rulers of some of these countries have made peace with Israel isn't actually a great guarantee that they'll never be an aggressor. Egypt could fall to the Islamic Brotherhood anytime and Hamas is just their Mini-me.

Beside this training a few Hamas hating Pals pales into insignificance. If you look at recent data on who they've been killing its mostly other Pals. So fom an Israeli perspective what's not to like?
 
#6
alib said:
tekirdag said:
jumpinjarhead said:
Here is another great example of "unintended consequences" that any idiot could have foreseen.

Absolutely. Anyone who has toured the West Bank would know that the overwhelming opinion is that the Jews should be driven into the sea. So why train them to do so? Its asking for another generation of conflict, if you ask me.


.
I'd not dispute that. But I think you'll find even harder line attitudes amongst the populations of the Gulf Kingships, Egypt and recently Iraq. Surprisingly Pals poll as much less hostile to Israel than most of the Arab Street.

We exchange massive amounts of military aid with these countries. They buy our arms. Rabidly anti-Semitic Saudi is the single biggest customers for our very lucrative weapons systems.

We also have long relationships with their armed services, the UK being particularly intimate with Jordon, which fought rather well against Israel under British officers.

That the despotic rulers of some of these countries have made peace with Israel isn't actually a great guarantee that they'll never be an aggressor. Egypt could fall to the Islamic Brotherhood anytime and Hamas is just their Mini-me.

Beside this training a few Hamas hating Pals pales into insignificance. If you look at recent data on who they've been killing its mostly other Pals. So fom an Israeli perspective what's not to like?
I realize many of the posters on here don't put much stock in such things, but as a Christian (before the slagging starts an to save you some time, I am not of the snake-handling "redneck," Crusades or Inquisition persuasions), I am continually reminded that these differences are literally of Biblical proportions.
 
#7
So the US are training muslim terrorists who are going to use the training against Israel. You couldn't make it up.
 
#8
RangeStew said:
So the US are training muslim terrorists who are going to use the training against Israel. You couldn't make it up.
It is a bit of "Alice in Wonderland" and would be laughable if it weren't so serious.
 
#9
And so Israel still has an active enemy to fight,the 'Hawks' stay in power (as they alone know how to keep the country safe)Israel goes on buying American weapons to maintain safety and fight the enemy,and so on ad nauseum.
 
#11
jumpinjarhead said:
Here is another great example of "unintended consequences" that any idiot could have foreseen.

Absolutely. Anyone who has toured the West Bank would know that the overwhelming opinion is that the Jews should be driven into the sea. So why train them to do so? Its asking for another generation of conflict, if you ask me.


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#12
jumpinjarhead said:
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I realize many of the posters on here don't put much stock in such things, but as a Christian (before the slagging starts an to save you some time, I am not of the snake-handling "redneck," Crusades or Inquisition persuasions), I am continually reminded that these differences are literally of Biblical proportions.
I'm reminded of Exodus 1
...
[7] And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them.
[8] Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.
[9] And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we:
[10] Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.
...
 
#13
alib said:
jumpinjarhead said:
...
I realize many of the posters on here don't put much stock in such things, but as a Christian (before the slagging starts an to save you some time, I am not of the snake-handling "redneck," Crusades or Inquisition persuasions), I am continually reminded that these differences are literally of Biblical proportions.
I'm reminded of Exodus 1
...
[7] And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them.
[8] Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.
[9] And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we:
[10] Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.
...
Good one--many others of course that make the point that in spite of "gains" from time to time in peaceful resolution of their many differences (usually to gain some perceived advantage with the "West") their default position will be enmity between the Jew and the Muslim.
 
#14
I am not vouching for the author--merely using the article to make the point about the US training. I have also posted articles on other threads to make particular points that were authored by people for whom I have no personal respect but every now and then even a scumbag (of any political persuasion) can report something worth noting.

I think some of the issues now confronting us (the collective "us") are of sufficient moment that they need to be viewed beyond the lens of partisanship.
 
#15
Gee an article from worldnutdaily and by Aaron Kline, rock solid. And by rock solid I mean chock full of half-truths to manipulate semi-literate drooling idiots. I often wonder if they mock their own readers in private.

Here is in Lt Gen Keith Dayton own words what he has been tasked to do first by the Bush Admin and re-appointed by the Obama Admin [It took me less than 40 seconds to find it. Pity Aaron Kline and worldnutdaily don't have access to Google]:

[His full speech at http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC07.php?CID=456]

On May 7, 2009, Lt. Gen. Keith Dayton delivered the Michael Stein Address on U.S. Middle East Policy at The Washington Institute's 2009 Soref Symposium. General Dayton currently serves as U.S. security coordinator for Israel and the Palestinian Authority, a position he has held since 2005. He recently accepted his appointment to the post for another two-year term.

Although the body I was appointed to head is called the "U.S. Security Coordinator's Team" (USSC), it is truly an international effort. Our ongoing work in the Israeli-Palestinian arena is shaped by significant contributions from Canada, the United Kingdom, and Turkey. More important, all of us believe that the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is in the best interests of all nations, and we are working toward that goal through security measures. We have become steeped in the context and dynamics of the conflict through daily interaction on the ground, which has helped us understand the situation from all perspectives and adjust the mission accordingly.

The USSC was created in March 2005 as way of helping the Palestinians reform their security services. It was tasked with establishing a body that could coordinate various international donors under one plan of action and mobilize resources, while at the same time allaying Israeli fears about the nature and capabilities of the Palestinian Authority Security Forces (PASF). Its mission also includes advising the PA on right-sizing its forces, restructuring and training these forces so that they can enforce the rule of law, and making them accountable to the government and the people.

...

The USSC was given permission to engage all parties except terrorists. Therefore, the team works with Palestinians and Israelis daily, makes frequent visits to Jordan and Egypt, and has reached out to the Gulf states as well. It also coordinates its efforts with other regional missions that focus on the Arab-Israeli conflict, such as the Quartet special representative, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, and various UN initiatives.

When Hamas won the Palestinian Legislative Council elections in January 2006 -- soon after I assumed the title of coordinator in late 2005 -- the USSC's mission shifted overnight. We had to refocus on coordinating international activity to boost Gaza's economy, with efforts centered at the border crossings. Meanwhile, the PASF suffered from neglect under Hamas, which developed its own security forces with help from Syria and Iran. In June 2007, the USSC's mission changed again when Hamas launched a successful coup against the legitimate Palestinian authorities in Gaza. It changed a third time with the appointment of Prime Minister Salam Fayad, after which the team began to concentrate on the West Bank.

...

The results of the USSC security partnership with the PA, Jordan, and Israel have exceeded the most optimistic expectations. Over the past year-and-a-half, the Palestinians have engaged in a series of security offensives throughout the West Bank. In coordination with the IDF, the battalions have sustained the rule of law and have begun to reestablish the PA's authority. More specifically, these campaigns have clamped down on armed gangs, dismantled illegal militias, countered Hamas activity, and reinforced safety and security for Palestinian citizens.

Of course, no security challenge in the West Bank has come close to that of maintaining law and order during Israel's recent Operation Cast Lead in Gaza. Some predicted the operation would spark a third intifada in the West Bank, but the "days of rage" called for by Hamas failed to materialize. The professionalism and competence of the new security forces guaranteed a measured and disciplined approach. They allowed demonstrations but prevented them from becoming violent, keeping the protestors away from Israelis. For their part, Israeli forces trusted the PASF and deliberately kept a low profile, staying away from demonstrators and coordinating their activities with their Palestinian counterparts. The IDF even felt comfortable enough to deploy major units away from the West Bank in order to help in Gaza. Throughout this period, the lack of support for Hamas was clear, as most Palestinians seemed to blame the group for bringing chaos to Gaza. As such, the demonstrations against the Gaza operation, while widespread, remained under control and peaceful.

...

It is difficult to say whether peace can truly be achieved through security measures, and all parties involved have a long way to go and many formidable challenges to overcome. Serious work needs to be done with regard to terrorism, and the USSC is actively exploring options on this issue with the Palestinians, Israelis, and Jordanians. There is also critical work ahead on managing borders and crossings. Moreover, Gaza and the armed Hamas cadres therein present major challenges to future Palestinian statehood. The situation is not hopeless, however. The USSC's continuous presence is beginning to pay off, building new facts on the ground and developing genuine partnerships. The road to peace is a very difficult one, but compared to past years, we are on that road and are moving forward.
 
#16
Virgil said:
Gee an article from worldnutdaily and by Aaron Kline, rock solid. And by rock solid I mean chock full of half-truths to manipulate semi-literate drooling idiots. I often wonder if they mock their own readers in private.
Virgil, you are missing the point. It is not about the unquestionably good intentions of the US and EU. They are training the PA security services in the interest of a stable PA that one can actually make peace with.
The problem is rather with the recipients of that training and their intentions. Unfortunately a lot of them have been known to moonlight as terrorists. During Arafats rule they were even paid for that by the man himself.

Anyway, I have sent the article to a colleague of mine who works with the USSC - I will ask him tomorrow what his take is on that (alleged) interview.
 
#17
tekirdag said:
jumpinjarhead said:
Here is another great example of "unintended consequences" that any idiot could have foreseen.

Absolutely. Anyone who has toured the West Bank would know that the overwhelming opinion is that the Jews should be driven into the sea. So why train them to do so? Its asking for another generation of conflict, if you ask me.
The next generation of conflict is already in place and the whole State of Israel knows that. The IDF and security agencies are still in pretty good shape, despite the daily grind, I doubt that they are unduly worried. This just smacks of western nations scratching around for a little influence.

That it is being reported now, it's not exactly hot news, seems more like a steered media riposte to Mrs Clinton and others' political pressure against the Israeli Government's position on settlements, the West Bank and other intractable policy issues.

But now that you mention it, haven't the US and European nations been sending training teams out amongst the poor benighted heathen, presumably to train militants for donkeys' years?

B
 
#18
bakerlite said:
But now that you mention it, haven't the US and European nations been sending training teams out amongst the poor benighted heathen, presumably to train militants for donkeys' years?

B
B, there is a chapter on the background and history of these security assistance missions in the report I posted near the top.
 
#20
para_medic said:
Virgil said:
Gee an article from worldnutdaily and by Aaron Kline, rock solid. And by rock solid I mean chock full of half-truths to manipulate semi-literate drooling idiots. I often wonder if they mock their own readers in private.
Virgil, you are missing the point. It is not about the unquestionably good intentions of the US and EU. They are training the PA security services in the interest of a stable PA that one can actually make peace with.
The problem is rather with the recipients of that training and their intentions. Unfortunately a lot of them have been known to moonlight as terrorists. During Arafats rule they were even paid for that by the man himself.

Anyway, I have sent the article to a colleague of mine who works with the USSC - I will ask him tomorrow what his take is on that (alleged) interview.
No, I absolutely I'm not 'missing the point'. Only an effing idiot would think you could train a few thousand security troops in Palestine and not have any of them at least be sympathizers for terror groups.

But you work with the clay you have, and the Israelis--who signed on for this--seem to be OK with it.

You also have to understand the source. Worldnetdaily and the writer are not rock-solid sources for news. No educated individual of any repute would use them as one.

It panders to a particular kind of audience; less educated, more ideological, right-wing Christian that espouses Creationism and frankly often just stump-stupid (as in "Obama is a Muslim" stupid).

WND knows what their audience will bear and often what they want to hear, facts be damned. The author Aaron Kline has been caught lying outright or manufacturing facts as one post has shown.

They tailor the news; no mention that the Israelis work with those trained forces on a daily basis, no mention that K. Dayton is a former US Army general whose job is not just training the PA police but coordinating between Israel and Palestine, no mention that the PA have actually cracked down on Hamas on the West Bank and no mention that the Dayton-trained security forces in Gaza are now non-existent (defeated by Hamas).

I understand 'the point', I'm just telling you the messenger has it's own spin and that spin borders on half-truths. If that doesn't have any relevance along with 'getting the point' then I'm not sure what to tell you.
 

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