US to Iran: Accede or be attacked

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US 'tells Russia to warn Iran of last chance' - Telegraph
'US warns Iran: Accede or be att... JPost - Iranian Threat - News

Clinton gives Russian FM a message for Tehran: P5+1 talks are last chance to avoid military option, 'Kommersant' reports.
A very interesting change from the worn "all options are on the table" rhetoric.

It can't be said the US is rushing into another Middle Eastern war this time. Iran has had so many chances to change course and crossed too many red lines.

I don't think the US is bluffing this time. There is an explicit timescale and consequence in this threat, and that it was conveyed in plain view means that the US will have zero credibility if the time comes and they don't follow through.

In other news, petrol is now 140p/L in the Tescos near to me :(
 
#4
140p/L? The thieving cnuts!
Fuel duty and VAT on the same product is just a perverse socialist construct.

The government should just bite the bullet, and try for 1 year, to have zero fuel duty and see how it affects the economy. And cut back on the welfare/benefits state in the meantime to balance the loss in revenue.
 
#5
Should i start taking my NAPS tablets now then? and dust of the auto injectors??
 
#6
It,ll all be over by Christmas.
 

jarrod248

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#8
God bless America, we'll have cheap Diesel after this just mark my words. Now we need to get spending under control so we'd better tell them to trot along themselves.
 
#9
the US wont do anything until the election is over but they've already motioned to israel that they believe it has the right to take unilateral action to defend itself which is as good as giving it the green light for support after the fact.
 
#10
The Americans can get stuck in if they like but I think it's time Cameron told them they'll be doing it without us tagging along.

Rodney2q
 
#13
Cough"Election Year!"Cough.
And with the US economy still fragile Barry would just love to see a big hike in oil prices before November, which is what would happen if we actually attacked Iran and the speculators went ape.

Not necessarily a killer for a second term but unhelpful even in a run against the likes od Santorum. On CNN Swing state watch: Where do gas prices hit hardest?.

Course he needs to balance that against Bibi staging a rogue attack with the AIF's nukes and more importantly the considerable clout of the Israel lobby has in his base, hence the sabre rattling. I'd not read much into the Russians mobilizing their military and hyping up their Zionist blackmail story, that's just Putin sending a message.
 
#14
The Americans can get stuck in if they like but I think it's time Cameron told them they'll be doing it without us tagging along.

Rodney2q
Given the dodgy state of our economy, and the cutbacks on our military, I think we would just "get in the way" of a US/Israeli attack on Iran.

"Though 12 Type 45 air-defence destroyers were originally planned, only six will be built. A further aspect to be considered part of the fleet-in-being approach is that some units, like the Type 45, are being completed and delivered to the fleet with a number of capabilities kept in a "potential" status, i.e. using the money-saving "fitted-for-but-not-with" solution.
The Type 45 destroyers are currently lacking: anti-ship missiles, CIWS, ECM, ASW torpedoes and Co-operative Engagement Capability. Therefore they are, technically speaking, more a promise for the future than real combat-ready ships."
Rear Adm. Massimo Annati, Military Technology, Nov 2011 (pg 65)

We may have a few cruise missiles and land-based aircraft, but we don't have much power projection capabilities left.
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#16
Fuel duty and VAT on the same product is just a perverse socialist construct.

The government should just bite the bullet, and try for 1 year, to have zero fuel duty and see how it affects the economy. And cut back on the welfare/benefits state in the meantime to balance the loss in revenue.
Excise Duty is paid by the manufacturer or the importer of the Excise Goods when those goods are released to Home Use. The purchaser does not pay Excise Duty. (When was tha last time that you wrote out a cheque for the c£0.59ppl on every litre of fuel that you purchased?) He pays what may be referred to as an Excise Duty Equivalent.

VAT on Excise Duty Equivalents happens across all of the Excise Duties. Excise Duty equivalents are an element of the sales price and VAT is a sales Tax.

Excise Duty on oils is roughly the equivalent of 1/8th of total Govt revenue (or it was the last time I looked), so you can forget any idea of the Govt turning off that particular tap.
 
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Excise Duty is paid by the manufacturer or the importer of the Excise Goods when those goods are released to Home Use. The purchaser does not pay Excise Duty. (When was tha last time that you wrote out a cheque for the c£0.59ppl on every litre of fuel that you purchased?) He pays what may be referred to as an Excise Duty Equivalent.

VAT on Excise Duty Equivalents happens across all of the Excise Duties. Excise Duty equivalents are an element of the sales price and VAT is a sales Tax.
OK thanks for the clarification, but as the end consumer it still hurts just as much to pay the Excise Duty Equivalent!

Excise Duty on oils is roughly the equivalent of 1/8th of total Govt revenue (or it was the last time I looked), so you can forget any idea of the Govt turning off that particular tap.
How is it that other countries can manage with lower or non-existent fuel tax or VAT, without breaking down into anarchy?
 
#18
Obama's currently schmoozing Cameron, Churchill's bust is now back on display (albeit temporarily) in the White House, the Saudis have promised to double their oil production so China won't suffer shortages, the US networks (less Fox) will suddenly laud Putin as a benign visionary, the Gulf states will give large sums of money to Turkey.
The Israelis will bomb Iran, the Turks will roll into Syria, the French will sit on the fence, the Germans will make money on the deal, the Japanese will send humanitarian aid to Iran. The UK will sell two currently under construction aircraft carriers to India and disband 10 infantry Bns to ensure the massive influx of Iranian refugees get to live in a style they only imagined in their wildest dreams. The LibCon coalition collapses.
Obama's re-elected.
 
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Obama's currently schmoozing Cameron, Churchill's bust is now back on display (albeit temporarily) in the White House, the Saudis have promised to double their oil production so China won't suffer shortages, the US networks (less Fox) will suddenly laud Putin as a benign visionary, the Gulf states will give large sums of money to Turkey.
The Israelis will bomb Iran, the Turks will roll into Syria, the French will sit on the fence, the Germans will make money on the deal, the Japanese will send humanitarian aid to Iran. The UK will sell two currently under construction aircraft carriers to India and disband 10 infantry Bns to ensure the massive influx of Iranian refugees get to live in a style they only imagined in their wildest dreams. The LibCon coalition collapses.
Obama's re-elected.
Nostradamus walt.. :)

Or not - be interesting to see how many of those scenarios pan out..
 

jarrod248

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#20
Obama's currently schmoozing Cameron, Churchill's bust is now back on display (albeit temporarily) in the White House, the Saudis have promised to double their oil production so China won't suffer shortages, the US networks (less Fox) will suddenly laud Putin as a benign visionary, the Gulf states will give large sums of money to Turkey.
The Israelis will bomb Iran, the Turks will roll into Syria, the French will sit on the fence, the Germans will make money on the deal, the Japanese will send humanitarian aid to Iran. The UK will sell two currently under construction aircraft carriers to India and disband 10 infantry Bns to ensure the massive influx of Iranian refugees get to live in a style they only imagined in their wildest dreams. The LibCon coalition collapses.
Obama's re-elected.
Is that someone knocking on your door? Did you find any brief cases or data sticks?
 

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