US Spy Ship Pueblo

#1
US Spy Ship Pueblo

USS Pueblo, was attacked and captured by the North Korean Navy on January 23, 1968. It was the first United States Navy ship to be hijacked on the high seas by a foreign military force in over 150 years.

I remember this incident well, I wonder if others do or is it just a case of selective memories on the part of some.

There has been a lot of speculation on ARRSE, some positive and some negative about the conduct of our service people taken hostage (I refrain from using the term POW as we are not at war with Iran). I thought it may be of some interest to younger members of ARRSE and others with short memories to post these links. Thank God it only took the British Government 15 days to secure their release and not the 11 months it took America to secure their hostages safe return. The return of USS Pueblo took some 30 years longer!

Read on:-

http://www.kimsoft.com/2003/han-pueblo.htm

http://www.kimsoft.com/2002/pueblo-ss.htm
 

AlienFTM

MIA
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#2
I remember it well. Would have been hard-put to say North Korea without prompting, but I remember it well enough not to need to follow the links.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
Well, there you have it. Semper fi my good buddies. Now that's what I call affirmative action when faced with hostage taking.
 
#4
Rumrunner said:
US Spy Ship Pueblo

USS Pueblo, was attacked and captured by the North Korean Navy on January 23, 1968. It was the first United States Navy ship to be hijacked on the high seas by a foreign military force in over 150 years.

I remember this incident well, I wonder if others do or is it just a case of selective memories on the part of some.

There has been a lot of speculation on ARRSE, some positive and some negative about the conduct of our service people taken hostage (I refrain from using the term POW as we are not at war with Iran). I thought it may be of some interest to younger members of ARRSE and others with short memories to post these links. Thank God it only took the British Government 15 days to secure their release and not the 11 months it took America to secure their hostages safe return. The return of USS Pueblo took some 30 years longer!

I don't see your point. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was as your heading describes and with time has confirmed a 'spy ship' and as such provocative by it's type and role. HMS Cornwall should never be inferred in such an example.

There is a theory and mind you only a theory, that the Pueblo crew were sold down the river (pun intended) in order to escalate the Vietnam 'dominio theory' intentions. It sure kicked off after that.

Have I been replaying 'The Good Shepherd' movie too much do you think?
 
#5
bob_lawlaw said:
Rumrunner said:
US Spy Ship Pueblo

USS Pueblo, was attacked and captured by the North Korean Navy on January 23, 1968. It was the first United States Navy ship to be hijacked on the high seas by a foreign military force in over 150 years.

I remember this incident well, I wonder if others do or is it just a case of selective memories on the part of some.

There has been a lot of speculation on ARRSE, some positive and some negative about the conduct of our service people taken hostage (I refrain from using the term POW as we are not at war with Iran). I thought it may be of some interest to younger members of ARRSE and others with short memories to post these links. Thank God it only took the British Government 15 days to secure their release and not the 11 months it took America to secure their hostages safe return. The return of USS Pueblo took some 30 years longer!

I don't see your point. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was as your heading describes and with time has confirmed a 'spy ship' and as such provocative by it's type and role. HMS Cornwall should never be inferred in such an example.

There is a theory and mind you only a theory, that the Pueblo crew were sold down the river (pun intended) in order to escalate the Vietnam 'dominio theory' intentions. It sure kicked off after that.

Have I been replaying 'The Good Shepherd' movie too much do you think?
My point was, to remind some that this type of incident has indeed occurred before. The hostages were taken illegally and they were paraded on TV, all of which happened some 39 years ago. I strongly object to the use of hostages being paraded on TV in particular British members of the Armed Forces, and I particularly object to anyone who casts doubts on their integrity.! Perhaps I should have made my point a little clearer for you? As I said, some have selective memories.
 
#6
Rumrunner said:
bob_lawlaw said:
Rumrunner said:
US Spy Ship Pueblo

USS Pueblo, was attacked and captured by the North Korean Navy on January 23, 1968. It was the first United States Navy ship to be hijacked on the high seas by a foreign military force in over 150 years.

I remember this incident well, I wonder if others do or is it just a case of selective memories on the part of some.

There has been a lot of speculation on ARRSE, some positive and some negative about the conduct of our service people taken hostage (I refrain from using the term POW as we are not at war with Iran). I thought it may be of some interest to younger members of ARRSE and others with short memories to post these links. Thank God it only took the British Government 15 days to secure their release and not the 11 months it took America to secure their hostages safe return. The return of USS Pueblo took some 30 years longer!

I don't see your point. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was as your heading describes and with time has confirmed a 'spy ship' and as such provocative by it's type and role. HMS Cornwall should never be inferred in such an example.

There is a theory and mind you only a theory, that the Pueblo crew were sold down the river (pun intended) in order to escalate the Vietnam 'dominio theory' intentions. It sure kicked off after that.

Have I been replaying 'The Good Shepherd' movie too much do you think?
My point was, to remind some that this type of incident has indeed occurred before. The hostages were taken illegally and they were paraded on TV, all of which happened some 39 years ago. I strongly object to the use of hostages being paraded on TV in particular British members of the Armed Forces, and I particularly object to anyone who casts doubts on their integrity.! Perhaps I should have made my point a little clearer for you? As I said, some have selective memories.
I'm sorry if I have misinterpreted your intentions. To revisit my viewpoint and put another way:

The Gulf of Tonkin incident has since been decided as a misappropriation of military assets on a 'civilian' job.
Books in the intervening years have suggested with a degree of rational that the crew probability of being captured in those waters was not only very high but arguably encouraged to happen by non military American interests.

You in innocence or otherwise link the Pueblo crew with Cornwall. They are in my opinion,not even remotely associated other than by the co-incidence of 'seamen and detained'. It's a poor comparison.

There was a RM patrol taken by the Iranians in 2004 and who were very aggressively treated.

As for 'hostages' and 'TV crews'. One of the lessons we learned from our Ambassadors such as Sir Geffrey Jackson, taken by the 'Tupermaros' in Peru in the early 70's, the visual medium, photographs or tv is a particular way to'send' other messages.

I highlighted in my first post of the day on arrse and I believe I was the first on this medium to point it out, these young folks were not POW's as were are not at war with Iran.
 
#7
bob_lawlaw said:
Rumrunner said:
bob_lawlaw said:
Rumrunner said:
US Spy Ship Pueblo

USS Pueblo, was attacked and captured by the North Korean Navy on January 23, 1968. It was the first United States Navy ship to be hijacked on the high seas by a foreign military force in over 150 years.

I remember this incident well, I wonder if others do or is it just a case of selective memories on the part of some.

There has been a lot of speculation on ARRSE, some positive and some negative about the conduct of our service people taken hostage (I refrain from using the term POW as we are not at war with Iran). I thought it may be of some interest to younger members of ARRSE and others with short memories to post these links. Thank God it only took the British Government 15 days to secure their release and not the 11 months it took America to secure their hostages safe return. The return of USS Pueblo took some 30 years longer!

I don't see your point. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was as your heading describes and with time has confirmed a 'spy ship' and as such provocative by it's type and role. HMS Cornwall should never be inferred in such an example.

There is a theory and mind you only a theory, that the Pueblo crew were sold down the river (pun intended) in order to escalate the Vietnam 'dominio theory' intentions. It sure kicked off after that.

Have I been replaying 'The Good Shepherd' movie too much do you think?
My point was, to remind some that this type of incident has indeed occurred before. The hostages were taken illegally and they were paraded on TV, all of which happened some 39 years ago. I strongly object to the use of hostages being paraded on TV in particular British members of the Armed Forces, and I particularly object to anyone who casts doubts on their integrity.! Perhaps I should have made my point a little clearer for you? As I said, some have selective memories.
I'm sorry if I have misinterpreted your intentions. To revisit my viewpoint and put another way:

The Gulf of Tonkin incident has since been decided as a misappropriation of military assets on a 'civilian' job.
Books in the intervening years have suggested with a degree of rational that the crew probability of being captured in those waters was not only very high but arguably encouraged to happen by non military American interests.

You in innocence or otherwise link the Pueblo crew with Cornwall. They are in my opinion,not even remotely associated other than by the co-incidence of 'seamen and detained'. It's a poor comparison.

There was a RM patrol taken by the Iranians in 2004 and who were very aggressively treated.

As for 'hostages' and 'TV crews'. One of the lessons we learned from our Ambassadors such as Sir Geffrey Jackson, taken by the 'Tupermaros' in Peru in the early 70's, the visual medium, photographs or tv is a particular way to'send' other messages.

I highlighted in my first post of the day on arrse and I believe I was the first on this medium to point it out, these young folks were not POW's as were are not at war with Iran.
Well, the nice thing about ARRSE is it’s full of opinions. Well all have one and it would appear that you hold yours above all others!
:wink:
 
#8
Trying to follow this I'm a bit confused. Now, I may have this wrong (and am prepared to be corrected...) but are you talking about the same thing?

The Pueblo was taken by North Korea after it allegedly strayed into their territorial waters in 1968. Fine. Then things get confused for me by reference to the Gulf of Tonkin incident which (correct me if I'm wrong) was the USS Maddox in 1964 off North Vietnam.

As stated, the Maddox is seen as bait for North Vietnam to justify an escalated US commitment to Vietnam. Johnson is said to have carried round what later became known as the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution while waiting for something to happen that would expedite Congressional approval of its provisions for increased US military involvement in Vietnam.
IIRC correctly it was attacked by North Vietnamese torpedo boats and wasn't actually captured.

:?
 
#9
LankyPullThrough said:
Trying to follow this I'm a bit confused. Now, I may have this wrong (and am prepared to be corrected...) but are you talking about the same thing?

The Pueblo was taken by North Korea after it allegedly strayed into their territorial waters in 1968. Fine. Then things get confused for me by reference to the Gulf of Tonkin incident which (correct me if I'm wrong) was the USS Maddox in 1964 off North Vietnam.

As stated, the Maddox is seen as bait for North Vietnam to justify an escalated US commitment to Vietnam. Johnson is said to have carried round what later became known as the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution while waiting for something to happen that would expedite Congressional approval of its provisions for increased US military involvement in Vietnam.
IIRC correctly it was attacked by North Vietnamese torpedo boats and wasn't actually captured.

:?
What I was trying to do, was to reply the stupid comments made by the author of this tripe in the American Press and others. Perhaps my post was too oblique for bob_lawlaw? Perhaps I should have said “you Yanks have indeed been in the same position and did nothing!”

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=62591.html
 
#10
Rumrunner: got your bit and thought it was a good comparison. Just wasn't sure if Bob wasn't mixing up the Pueblo with the Maddox, which was provoking albeit North Vietnam not North Korea and four years earlier.

Apologies if I misread Bob's posts. Sometimes you read something again and again...
 

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