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US soldiers killed Afghans, mutiliated corpses

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CBS News Mobile U.S. Soldiers Charged in Afghan Civilian Murders

there's a disturbing development in a story first reported in May involving U.S. soldiers accused of killing civilians in cold blood. Twelve soldiers have been charged in the case. If the charges are proven, this was the platoon from hell. CBSNews.com Special Report: Afghanistan Complete Coverage: 9/11 Nine Years Later Five American soldiers accused of murdering Afghan civilians just because they could, seven more involved in the cover-up; plus mutilating corpses, taking pot shots at Afghan civilians, smoking hashish, and beating up a private who blew the whistle. They may have done more harm to the American cause in Afghanistan than any equivalent number of Taliban could hope to cause.
 
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Tell me about how the glorious Russian Army behaved in Afghanistan? I hear running over tied up civilians with tanks and dropping anti personnel mines that were disguised as childrens toys was quite the popular pastime for you lot.
 
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And of course the Taliban would never desecrate the bodies of NATO troops or abuse/execute prisoners. Yes I know two wrongs etc!!
 
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And of course the Taliban would never desecrate the bodies of NATO troops or abuse/execute prisoners. Yes I know two wrongs etc!!
I don't think the issue here is the killing of Taliban personnel but that of innocent civilians. I'll reserve judgment though until after any trial.
 
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I don't think the issue here is the killing of Taliban personnel but that of innocent civilians. I'll reserve judgment though until after any trial.

You are of course correct, I should have added that the Taliban would never dream of coercing young adults to wear the suicide vest or use the locals as sheilds or punishing collaboraters.
Getting back to the original theme of this thread, the US military do sadly have a history of taking "it" out on the unfortunate local civpop. So there probably is some truth in the report.
 
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I have no idea why we mess around with such arcane institutions such as courts when we can save a sizable wedge having arrsers sat in the comfort of thier own home and pass judgment and second guess based on a brief report.
 
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....................and dropping anti personnel mines that were disguised as childrens toys was quite the popular pastime for you lot.
this has been debunked. propaganda spread by rightwing publications like 'Soldier of Fortune' waltazine.

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One of the unforeseen results of its military application was a high number of casualties among children. Due to its unusual shape, the mine was often mistaken for a toy by children.
 
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Tell me about how the glorious Russian Army behaved in Afghanistan? I hear running over tied up civilians with tanks and dropping anti personnel mines that were disguised as childrens toys was quite the popular pastime for you lot.
The only time I heard of 'tank accidents' was when an aussie cameraman turned Muslim convert tried to film Haqqani's [then muj] trophy T-55s, when one reversed back over him.
The other when General Dostam [then DRA] had his 2i/c pegged out on the ground & tank flattened.

The "toy story" was wildly put-about, along with the use of napalm & gas, by shrill septic pressure groups in the 80s with no proof to back up their claims. These 'Reaganauts' did the mujahideen a great disservice by hyping their abilities and overlooking their failings, whilst ignoring what the ISI were up to.
The highly respected Professor Majrew [later murdered by the Taliban] had a collection of the weird and odd ordinance; which included the butterfly mines sited by DrS, and to a child could look like a rather odd 'toy'.
The only other particularly notable derivations on everyday kit amongst the Professor's collection were books hollowed out to explode & .22 "pistol pens" available from Dara. Nothing SOE didn't have, only of inferior quality.

The only definitive examples of torture were from those picked up by KhAD who carried out 'aggressive' interrogations on their fellow Afghans. No doubt with Soviet teaching.

This incident involving US troops has echoes of that which occurred in Iraq when a family was killed to disguise the raping of a child.
 
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I think it all needs to be taken with a pinch of salt as these things are genrally sensationalised by the media to feed a gossip hungry public's habit, all fuelled by the right wing rumblings of people who haven't a clue as to what is happening in the real world. Until proven it is pure conjecture. That said, I watched a documentary called the Wounded Platoon about the dehumanising effects of war on soldiers (bearing in mind that the septics do year long tours) that may lend some credence to these kinds of stories. However........................
 
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this has been debunked. propaganda spread by rightwing publications like 'Soldier of Fortune' waltazine.

PFM-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Indeed. I was in Afghanistan in the late 90s and had heard about "PFMs looking like toys". They quite clearly don't so I asked the locals. They told me that kids liked to pick them up and throw them against walls so that they'd explode. So toys in a way, but rather serious ones. I don't think we can blame the USSR for making mines that look like toys. My best guess is that someone heard that kids liked to play with them, put 2 & 2 together and got 5.
 
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If its true then they should spend the rest of their life behind bars.Disgusting behaviour.

However, thanks to these few bad apples we will now have the anti-war crowd making judgements on all soldiers (As if they didn't already). Not to mention the benefits this brings to Taliban propaganda.
 
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That said, I watched a documentary called the Wounded Platoon about the dehumanising effects of war on soldiers (bearing in mind that the septics do year long tours) that may lend some credence to these kinds of stories. However........................
Are you referring to the documentary shown on itv4 yesterday night?
 
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That said, I watched a documentary called the Wounded Platoon about the dehumanising effects of war on soldiers (bearing in mind that the septics do year long tours) that may lend some credence to these kinds of stories. However........................
I watched "The Wounded Platoon" too, however I drew a different conclusion in that, although their service in Iraq must have had an effect on them, nearly every one of those featured in the programme already had a history of violance and criminality before they ever joined the US Army (one of them, at 14, had even shot his friends in the head in a dispute over a video game killing him yet was given a waver which allowed him to join up!!) So I think the problems the Americans have with their soldiers being "dehumanised" may be more to do with their upbringing and values rather than soley due to their military service.

If the story is true then its a serious failing of command and they should, and almost certainly will, feel the full weight of US military justice, however, lets wait until the evidence has been produced and they have been convicted before all passing judgement on what did or didn't happen.
 
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I think it all needs to be taken with a pinch of salt as these things are genrally sensationalised by the media to feed a gossip hungry public's habit, all fuelled by the right wing rumblings of people who haven't a clue as to what is happening in the real world. Until proven it is pure conjecture. That said, I watched a documentary called the Wounded Platoon about the dehumanising effects of war on soldiers (bearing in mind that the septics do year long tours) that may lend some credence to these kinds of stories. However........................
Right wing??
 

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