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US shot or killed 429 Iraqi civilians in the last year

#1
-- not even on raids

US soldiers in Iraq killed or wounded 429 Iraqi civilians at checkpoints or near patrols just in the last year -- according to military statistics leaked to a McClatchy Newspaper reporter.

"The numbers cover what the military calls escalation-of-force incidents, in which American troops fire at civilians who've come too close or have approached checkpoints too quickly,"

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/US_shot_or_killed_429_Iraqi_0712.html

msr
 
#3
Bugly said:
Sounds fair to me.
Boll##cks!! I demand a recount. Jerrymandering that what I call it. At what perimeter boundary are youse beginning the count?
So how do you know what constitutes a 'civilian' and what is a British military uniformed personality, (even though you cannot necessarily see the people within the camo'ed 'friendly' marked armoured vehicles?)
 
#4
It's the old NI problem, a civilian is an player who is not carrying their weapon. Not denying that innocent people are not getting shot (hell, the yanks are responsible for enough blue on blue to claim to be that careful with everyone else), but IMHO these reports are not always compiled by objective enough sources to be given much credability.

And no-one is reporting how many civilians have been killed by other Iraqi's, are they.
 
#5
Darwinism at work. If after all this time, they still haven't learned not to rush up to VCPs and patrols, they don't deserve to breed or breath.
 
#6
TPR_C_Hunt said:
Darwinism at work. If after all this time, they still haven't learned not to rush up to VCPs and patrols, they don't deserve to breed or breath.
yeah, how DARE they live in their own country........
 
#7
The trouble is that every civilian that gets killed reinforces and deepens the hatred felt by Iraqis for their 'occupiers' and encourages them to resist.

Ask the Israelis. They have been shooting Palestinians for bloody years and it doesn't look like its calming down any time soon.
 
#9
msr said:
-- not even on raids

US soldiers in Iraq killed or wounded 429 Iraqi civilians at checkpoints or near patrols just in the last year -- according to military statistics leaked to a McClatchy Newspaper reporter.

"The numbers cover what the military calls escalation-of-force incidents, in which American troops fire at civilians who've come too close or have approached checkpoints too quickly,"

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/US_shot_or_killed_429_Iraqi_0712.html

msr
I can find sites like this too.


Damn Brits killing all the civilians... you and your badgers!

The new reports have shattered a myth that some British media had been building up that British forces were acting with far more restraint than U.S. forces and were being more respectful to the Iraqi population.

The Amnesty report now points towards shooting of civilians. In several cases it documents letters written by British officers in which they acknowledge that troops killed civilians when there was no apparent threat from the victims to themselves or to others.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0511-02.htm
 
#10
Let's put this into perspective. How many Iraqi civilians have died at the hands of their fellow Muslims in the same period?

This isn't a rhetorical question, I would genuinely like to know the answer.

SLR (Not to be confused with SLR Boy).
 
#11
SelfLoadingRifle said:
Let's put this into perspective. How many Iraqi civilians have died at the hands of their fellow Muslims in the same period?

This isn't a rhetorical question, I would genuinely like to know the answer.

SLR (Not to be confused with SLR Boy).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

Well, Washington Post puts the number at 655,000. Subtract out the 429 or so from the Americans, the 40 or so from the Brits and I'll assume the other 654,531 are them killing each other.
 
#12
These reports are compiled by hippies, not above lying for what they see as the greater good.

Sort of like the BBC thinks it justified in being biased because they are trying to do good :roll:
 
#13
Thanks for that Ghost.

I notice that the figure given is for the total of Iraqi civvies killed since March 2003. Divide that by 4 and that gives us very approximately 163750 Iraqi civilian deaths per annum.

In other words, each year roughly 430 die at the hands of the Septics. Add another 40 or so on our account and the score would be approximately 470 at Anglo American hands against 163,280 Iraqis killed by their fellow Muslims (in round figures). It should also be noted that according to the National Security Council's interim report, 80% of suicide bombers in Iraq are foreign "fighters" who enter the country through Syria, almost all professing support for Al-Qaeda.

Call me naive, but could someone tell me why the Americans are getting the blame for all of this while Muslim extremist fundamentalist loonies, (most of whom aren't even Iraqi) are carrying out over 99.5% of the killing - killing which seems to be aimed at their fellow Muslims?

I think they're all full of Shiite.

SLR (Not to be confused with SLR Boy).
 
#14
quiller said:
yeah, how DARE they live in their own country........
Put it another way every one that dies is one less potential suicide bomber.

It's not their country any more it's part of our Empire now. Bit like a very hot Wales but with more charm.
 
#16
And how many poor sods have died by thier cowardly roadside IEDS

you want sympathy mate you're barking up the wrong tree....


NUC the lot and let god decide.....................
 

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